What can I build with these SOB Models?

[Crimson Templar]

40K Army: Sisters of Battle

I just got done stripping my Wife's old SOB army and was wondering what I can build with the models I have. I know there are many of you on Warseer that can help me. I do not want to spend anything (yet) to flush this out so I am asking the Professional SOB players here to help me out. I do not have the WD rules for them either, so if you take the time to build be a list, please at least give me a per unit total for points. Thank you. Here is what I have in terms of models...

Canoness with combi-flamer (the original canoness model)
3x sister superior (1x power sword and bolter, 1x power maul and bolter with aux grenade launcher, 1x chainsword/evisorator and bolt pistol)
16x sisters with bolters
2x melta gunners
1x flamer
2x imagifiers
1x standard bearer
2x heavy bolters
2x heavy flamers
2x multi-meltas
5x serephim (superior with powerweapon and plasmapistol, 3x dual bolt pistols, 1x dual hand flamers)

37 total models, what do I do with it?

Sorry, I forgot there is a priest with power weapon and the LTD edition Inquisitor as well

[Dervos]

"This is going to be a long post, get something to drink"

Cannonessw/ combi-flamer 70

Troop
9 battle sisters, 1 sister superior
7 bolt guns 2 melta, 1 superior with pw and bolter(155)

Heavy Support
x5 Retributors
x2 heavy bolters
x2 multi melta
sister superior with power maul and bolter(105)

Fast Attack
x5 Seraphrim
powersword
plasma pistol
x1 dual hand flamer
(125)

Elites

Priest
power weapon (55)

Leaves you the inquistor.x1 standard bearer, 2 imagifiers?, x2 heavy flamers and a sister superior with a eviserator

A pretty blah 510 point list.

In short you don't have quite enough to make a legal list without proxying one of the heavy flamers as a regular flamer and the last superior with a power sword instead of a eviserator. So maybe around 700 points to play with, add another 100 points or so if you decide to take extra upgrades available via the codex.

I added in the priest because you can technically take priests, but you would never....ever want to according to the current codex, they are a pretty shoddy choice. The inquisitor could be used as a ecclesiarchy confessor for a second hq choice but one of the named priests would be better.

Give this thread a read

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...-some-overview

This thread has a couple posts with a condensed version of basically what makes SoB competitive.

If you'd like more information take a look at the sisters tactica thread as well you;ll have to skip about 20 pages since it was created before the WD codex was released. There is a lot of conversation. I'd suggest reading all of it, and get the codex as soon as you get a chance.(WD issues 379 and 380 in the US)(GW no longer has this availabe on their website i believe ebay is your only recourse for now, we have no information regarding any real release of a sisters army codex or new models).

A couple of things,

1. Your going to want rhinos, unless your building a foot list, but you'll be "shooting yourself in the foot" so to speak if you do.

2. The reason that is because our army with 2 exceptions is entirely limited in weaponry that ranges up to 24", the two exceptions to this are the heavy bolter"36 and the exorcist missile launcher"48(this weapon is only found on the exorcist a heavy support choice)

3. Although we like getting up close and personal to shoot, we do not so much like fighting in close combat because were T3, I3, S3, were also not fearless, a +3 save is nice but meq's won't have a lot of trouble cleaving us in half, especially squads with power weapons. So we like to cruise around in our metal boxes everywhere for the most part, but there are times when we want to jump out and shove a bunch of melta and flamers in peoples faces

4. Seraph rim are cool but Dominions are usually a far better choice which is the competiting unit for the fast attack slot.

5. We don;t have any grenade launchers atm, so you'll have to pretend its something else

6. Meltaguns and flamers are generally the rule of cool loadouts for all sister squads, heavy flamers being considered too expensive for what they bring and multi-melta only serve to prevent the squad from moving and shooting on foot.

7. We have 1 maybe 2 main builds, most of the time you will be told you need the following

HQ
Uriah Jacobus+battle conclave
Arch confessor Kyrinov +battle conclave or Saint Celestine

Troops
Battle sisters 2-6

Fast Attack
1-3 Dominions
0-1 Seraphrim maybe

Elites
Stay far away in general unless you like Repentia(rage unit) Celestians are also so similiar to battle sisters and barely offer up anything in exchange for a more expensive unit, in general you don't take elites until you fill everything else out. Also Priests are in here too but don't take up a elite slot in the army, instead you can have up to 5 of these quasi IC's running amok which you don't want because they basically have shoot me signs on them and have worse stats than sisters and upgradeing them is obnoxious in points costs. Just stay away from the elites section until you play test something, you will regret spending the money on the models and then realize later what a waste it was if you don't like them.

Heavy Support
0-3 exorcists(our only source of long range AT-fire but a bit random)
0-3 retributors(our only source of anti horde past the 12-24" range, most of the time you load them completely with heavy bolter and camp them somewhere, they could also cruise around in rhinos or immolators spewing multimelta or heavy flamers(ew)
0-0 Pentinent Engines(again these have rage, they are open top armor 11 vechiles, they aren;t worth the pain to be honest, they are CC units only, you can take 3 per heavy support cost but you will only hinder youself to be honest)

You have enough for a fun small game, but if you go any higher than 800 points which is the max I think you could stretch this unit after a few more upgrades your going to be spending a lot of money. Your probably going to need at least half a dozen immolators/rhinos, probably more, you'll also need to decided wether to buy exorcists or not, GW ones are 66$, FW ones cost around 45$ i think and look a lot more utilitarian, although GW's organ one is quite amusing to look at.

Sister models are very very expensive. I don;t know if you looked at them or not but buying sisters will cost more than the vehicles you will need to carry them around in.

Rhino 33$/immolator(35) ok heres the thing about immmolators and rhinos, the rhino kit is just that a rhino, the immolator kit can either make a rhino or a immolator, but on the plus side that extra 2$ gets you all the neat SOB icons as well saving you about 15 or so dollars you'd spend buying it seperately at forgeworld, so wether your building a rhino or a immmolator buy the the immolator kit, it'll save you headaches in the long run.

Heavy Bolter sister 14.00
x3 sisters with bolter 17.25
Melta gun sisters 9.90
flamer sister 9.90
seraphrim 14.00

Another problem, these models are all metal and for all intents and purposes are one piece models, the onyl exception being the back pack you glue on, meaning conversion will be difficult and you better be sure you want that particular weapon when you buy it. I have 2 heavy flamers and 3 flamer models i will never use because I made the mistake of buying them and then later deciding i didn't actually need them.

Best of luck let me know if you have more questions. Building a SOB army takes a lot of time and money(mostly money)

[Crimson Templar]

So why would I not run two squads of sisters with the list I have?

I think I can run like this....

Canoness
2x BS squad - superior, heavy flamer, melta, imagifier (as a squad filler) and 6 sisters
seraphim as listed
Retributors - 4 heavies and 2 sisters
Command squad with banner bearer, flamer and 3 sisters.

This howI used to have my wife set up and I wonder if it is still legal?

[Dervos]

You mentioned you didn't have the WD rules so I build a list according to those rules and tried to use actual models that would represent those specific loadouts.

For example you don't have a sister diagolous or a hospitalier for a command squad. Or 4 sister superiors

I assumed you had no working knowledge of what the squad loadouts could be or what hq units could take retinue.

I was just trying to keep it simple but if you have the codex now feel free to build it how you like; I just built it in a way I would build the list since you didn't mention any preferences.

[Crimson Templar]

Sorry, your advice was helpful. I was just asking if this build would work at all. After re-reading your first list, I see you did build two squads. Are imagifiers even an option now and and what do they add to the army? Are heavy flamers assault weapons in the list or are they heavy? If they are heavy I can see why you did not include them in you build. Thank you for your help and input.

[Dervos]

Sorry, your advice was helpful. I was just asking if this build would work at all. After re-reading your first list, I see you did build two squads. Are imagifiers even an option now and and what do they add to the army? Are heavy flamers assault weapons in the list or are they heavy? If they are heavy I can see why you did not include them in you build. Thank you for your help and input.

I;d have to see the imagifier to be sure, but I think it might count as a laud hailer. There isn't any imagifiers atm but they might have just changed the name. They let you try to attempt to make back a faith points after using a act of faith on a unit within a certain range of the model with the laud hailer. As far as I can see the only unit that can use the laud hailer is the sister dialogous in the command squad, one of the special hq units has a combination laud hailer/banner. The faith system is completely different from the old witch hunters system im told. It's not something to be relied upon but when it works it can be helpful.

I'm sorry if a lot of things I'm saying are vague, I'm just trying not to blatantly throw out stats and rules which is a no-no on warseer and GW is very strict; usually the other exceptions that are made are for the rules discussion area when what the intended effects of rules are discussed.

Heavy flamers are assault weapons but they cost 4 times as much as a regular flamer, they don't add a whole lot of benefit compared to taking more regular flamers.

To answer your other question, yes your list will work just fine =D, it's legal your good to go. You'll probably have vehicle trouble, the multi-meltas will be your only source of long range AT they are only the max range of your boltguns. Then you just have 2 meltaguns and a plasma pistol. I think it'll be fine for a fun game at the point level your sitting at but it could get steamrolled badly by some builds, some armies can fit a lot of mech in 1000 points, not only will this army be slow it will be outranged.

You'll probably also have trouble with hordes, sisters are not great in CC, you'll get one round of shooting in with your weapons before a large mob gets into CC with you because of the range. WS3 is not fantastic and if they have any power weapons they're probably all dead, were not fearless and were really slow so if we lose combat by any decent margin we;ll probably get cut down.

[Luke666]

Spend £12 on princess cheater for a start from there...

Saint C 115

10 sisters melta and multi melta, rino 180 (have to buy a rino)
10 sisters melta and multi melta, rino 180 (have to buy a rino)

5 seraphim 2 hand flamers 120

4 heavy bolter retributors 85 (use 2 HF as counts as)

Total 680

not a bad start you need the rinos though but you can get them cheap enough to build from there you should get 2 exorcist, jacobus 9 death cultist and anouther rino, then you have a semi competetive list

[Crimson Templar]

Thanks for the advice guys. I understand the stats on the weapons as I am a long time 40k player. I wish I could find the SOB rules in a pdf doc. You would think that if GW is not going to post rules on their site, and they are not going to sell anymore WD with the rules, we could discuss them outright!

[Luke666]

try scribd

[Crimson Templar]

That was a good find. Thank you very much.