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    If Dwarfs should have an identity of their own a theme if you will that defines the whole army it should be like a Mountain. The dwarfs shouldnīt really have any fast attack units not as such, in combat average they arenīt particularly awesome in close combat and their shooting while good isnīt the greatest of all armies but not the worst either.
    Where the dwarfs strength should be, should be with their Toughness, Armor Saves and Leadership.
    Basically any enemy that goes into close combat with the Dwarfs wonīt lose to them because of the dwarfs superior strength or anything like that, but because fighting them is like fighting a rock with a hammer or and axe, continue to chip at it might eventually wear it down, but itīs going to be hard work and this rock is fighting back.

    Thatīs what I would want the dwarfs to be a really hard army not particularly fast or anything like that, but with more then enough toughness, armorsaves and leadership to make up for that.

    As for new units besides the regular ones (i think we can safely assume that all of those units made out resin isnīt going to be replaced anytime soon) maybe a huge warmachine like that big cannon or something like that in the start dwarf stronghold in warhammer online.
    A Golem would be nice, but i think it should be technical like its a special suit of armor either powered through steam or with special runes, not a living being as such (like the ones in Dragon Age) the golems shouldnīt be fast not as such it can deliver a punch sure but again like the other dwarfs its strength should be with its high toughness, leadership and armor saves.

    Other then that i donīt really think the dwarfs needs new units as such what they really need is more of an update on their current units making all of them useful.

    Ironbreakers are fine as they are maybe a little cheaper and give them something that really makes them this almost impenetrable wall of gromril that really can hold up a giant unit or two in 3 or 4 rounds.
    Increase the Flame Cannonīs range so that combined with other warmachines it comes to its true potential as a warmachine that makes enemy units break and run for the hills.
    Increase the toughness of Slayers these guys are or where our monster hunters they could take most of the high strength units and kick their ass the biggest problem (at least when i used them) is that most armies that has shooting can take these guys down before they ever get a chance to get into close combat.
    If Slayers are going to become worth their points once again they need to be able to make up for lack of armor so that they actually have a chance of getting into close combat with a monster without being shoot to hell.

    Oh and it wouldnīt be so bad if they could also make sure that the boxes our miniatures came in contained a little more units, currently a normal box of dwarf warriors contain around 16 units that great for when the main strength of the army still lay with the heroes and lords of the different armies but with the much more emphasis on hordes (in the new rulebook) i wouldnīt mind if there was maybe 4 or 5 even 10 in certain chases more units in each box, so that every box of plastic units contained around 20 units instead of the usual 10 to 16 units per box.
    From a buisness standpoint i can certainly see the logic in making the costumers buy an extra box to get those 40 unit of Dwarf warriors, but from a customer standpoint coupled with GWs ever increasing prices its getting a little expensive in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikjust View Post
    (i think we can safely assume that all of those units made out resin isnīt going to be replaced anytime soon)
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    the things that are going to change are:
    - Organ gun wil be more like Hell blaster but less malfunction danger.
    - Basic airship wicht you can upgrade/custumise for points
    - Gyro copters are going to something like flying chariots in groups with the first row shooting
    - Slayers wil get higher T or ward save against shooting
    - Dwarfs wil al go up 1 point in armour
    - Rune systeem wil stay but revamped and bit shrunken down

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    Quote Originally Posted by keffie View Post
    the things that are going to change are:
    - Organ gun wil be more like Hell blaster but less malfunction danger.
    - Basic airship wicht you can upgrade/custumise for points
    - Gyro copters are going to something like flying chariots in groups with the first row shooting
    - Slayers wil get higher T or ward save against shooting
    - Dwarfs wil al go up 1 point in armour
    - Rune systeem wil stay but revamped and bit shrunken down
    Interesting.. is this what you have heard or what you think/expect to happen?
    I could see the gyros becoming more like cavalry [air cav!]- dwarf version of monstrous cavalry? Maybe as a plastic kit- the original gyrocopters where about cavalry sized. An airship would sit well with this.
    Dwarfs being generally more heavily armoured seems right- I really hope the models reflect this with layered plate as well as chain mail.
    Rune system reworked and slightly reduced sounds right- all this looks reasonable.
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    Since the Skavens got their Domm-Wheel back in their latest armybook, maybe the dwarfs should get some of their old units and special characters back as well amongst others i think the Goblin Hewer and Slayer King should be back in the new dwarf armybook.

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    I am not keen on dwarfs getting anything that look like giant robots (steam-powered or otherwise). For me this would be a worse transgression than the Empire mechanical horse.

    My main issue with the airship is the fact it would have to be so huge.

    A dwarf equivalent of the Chaos Dwarf Infernal Engine or Imperial Steam Tank on the other hand... yes maybe. They definately need something to bring them back up to speed in terms of land-based technology.
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    Re: Dwarf rumours

    Quote Originally Posted by keffie View Post
    the things that are going to change are:
    - Organ gun wil be more like Hell blaster but less malfunction danger.
    - Basic airship wicht you can upgrade/custumise for points
    - Gyro copters are going to something like flying chariots in groups with the first row shooting
    - Slayers wil get higher T or ward save against shooting
    - Dwarfs wil al go up 1 point in armour
    - Rune systeem wil stay but revamped and bit shrunken down
    Speculation in its entirity, a couple of which I find highly unbelievable. The +1 armour in particular. I'd find it awesome of course but I just dont see them doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikjust View Post
    If Dwarfs should have an identity of their own a theme if you will that defines the whole army it should be like a Mountain. The dwarfs shouldnīt really have any fast attack units not as such, in combat average they arenīt particularly awesome in close combat and their shooting while good isnīt the greatest of all armies but not the worst either.
    Where the dwarfs strength should be, should be with their Toughness, Armor Saves and Leadership.
    Basically any enemy that goes into close combat with the Dwarfs wonīt lose to them because of the dwarfs superior strength or anything like that, but because fighting them is like fighting a rock with a hammer or and axe, continue to chip at it might eventually wear it down, but itīs going to be hard work and this rock is fighting back.
    I totally agree with you; to me, one of the most "dwarf-ish" moments I recall as a kid was Ghim's death in "lodoss wars" ... sure he died, but the greatest mage in the realm couldn't prevent him from fulfilling his promise, now that a dwarf.
    The problem though is that toughness, armor sv and leadership should set dwarfs apart, but it doesn't really:

    -The majority of armies have access to cavalry with 2+ armor sv (and some go even as far as 1+) while dwarfs only have 1 unit with 2+ armor. I remember a post (can't remember if it was here or at bugman's) showing armor sv distribution according to armies, and if we forget about the +1 ward save shenanigans of chaos, dwarfs weren't really in the fore-runners of the list. Maybe giving hammerers gromril and making dwarfs +1 to sv might help ... but I don't want my dwarfs to be 20pts each

    - Toughness, again not specific to dwarfs. No complaints, just pointing out Chaos, ogre and saurus armies (core choices, other armies have access to higher Toughness than dwarfs through monster infantry and cavalry but that is not core so it doesn't count .... though it does point out the fact that dwarf do not have higher-than-4-toughness choices)

    - Leadership, again ... not that specific, though through pure leadership (warriors of Chaos) or through various rules (cold blooded,etc...), having good leadership / being unbreakable is not such a difficult task nowadays.

    Even all three together in one army is not something unique to dwarfs (WoC, Lizardmen).
    As dwarfs I believe we are much more defined by what we do NOT have than by what we are good at, which is a little sad.
    Just hope the new book will make dwarfs stand out in a particular field, defining us by something we do better than the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feneman View Post
    defining us by something we do better than the rest.
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    Now that empire has taken a shooting nerf, and have got monsters helping them out in CC, there is real space for a warmachine-based shooting specialist.
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    with all of the speculation bating around I can only really conclude that GW will have to negotiate a minefield not to tread on someones toes...
    unfortunately this realization has made GW simply not care who they annoy and as such this (and all other speculative threads) are ultimately useless.
    However I can dream...

    as my army consists of 99% pewter (1% being the three dwarfs on the anvil...) you can count me as a viking supporter.
    my only concern is that any new unit looks cool and the rules can go to hell!
    I mean if a unit looks c*** I will make a count-as if its great rules...
    then again if a unit looks great but is a bit of a waste of points I will still take it (Iron breakers and Troll slayers over better specials for example).

    I do hope we get some interesting maneuvering options though as the tools of the last book are getting old and I want some form new toy to play with.
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    Well fluffwise I think dwarfs should be the war-machine specialists. What they need is some moveable machines like the Infernal Engine or the Stank.
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    Heres a thought...Slayer-pault

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    You laugh, but there was a Gotrek and Felix book where Gotrek was loaded onto a ships catapult and fired onto an enemy ship where he massacred all the crew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razakel View Post
    You laugh, but there was a Gotrek and Felix book where Gotrek was loaded onto a ships catapult and fired onto an enemy ship where he massacred all the crew.
    Epic Slayer fail...did not die gloriously
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    Sorry, but is this the Dwarf rumours or speculations-thread??
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    Re: Dwarf rumours

    You ressurected a thread that was moved out of the rumour section a month ago due to rampant speculation, and died a somewhat peaceful death afterwards, to add nothing but a moan about speculation?

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