Physical aggression and fighting in a GW or flgs?

[Konovalev]

I witnessed a gaming related scuffle once back in 40k 3rd . It wasn't in a GW or FLGS but at my house. I was watching 2 friends play 40k, Imperial Guard vs Blood Angels. Blood angels player had just assaulted a throwaway squad of gurdsman in the previous turn with his command squad when the IG player managed to bank a lucky battlecannon shot off a nearby rhino. Completely annhilated everyone involved in the melee. IG player then made a snide comment, which set off the BA player. Heated words were exchanged, the IG player swept the BA players models off the table and stormed outside. BA player followed and they had themselves a scuffle in the snow. I locked the door behind them when they left but apparently the BA player hit the IG player in the leg with my sled before driving off without his models. The IG player eventually returned and I let him in.

The next day, I returned the BA players models, laughs were exchanged amongst our group of friends (most of whom didn't play warhammer and so found the fight in the snow over plastic toys absolutely hilarious). No hard feelings were had between the two players, as it wasn't unusual for them to butt heads though rarely violent, but they were the laughingstock of our group for the next few months.

[The.War.Machine]

Wow, I didn't know there could be such serious nerd rage! The most shocking thing that happened in my local GW recently was a 20 year old touching unde rage girls inappropriately in the store. I wasn't there to see it but apparently the manager was furious and he was barred for life and rightly so, hopefully that sikko won't show his face near the store ever again!

[Steve54]

GW stores+FLGS seem to exist in some kind of bubble where the police don't get called for assault+ sexual assault, or many of these stories aren't true/are grossly exaggerated

[Dylius]

All I can say is I'm glad none of them have happened to me!

And does it really matter if the stories have been... embellished a little? They make for a good story (or at least the funny ones do - sexual assault isn't funny).

[simonr1978]

It does to me at least. Whilst I can accept that there's inevitably a bit of embellishment usually found in the retelling of tales, I'd like to hope that when posting a tale in a thread like this the poster would at least try to keep the account faithfull to their recollections. Admissions of deliberate embellishment or exaggeration make me highly sceptical of the rest of the account altogether so I tend to disregard those almost entirely.

It's a bit like a lot of the urban myths that make it to snopes (For example the aircraft carrier vs. lighthouse tale or the fighter that nearly attacks a police speed trap, the tales in this thread are obviously on a much lesser scale though but the principle's the same), a funny/shocking story in these cases is only really funny/shocking if it's true. If it's not true and the teller/reteller made up or exagerrated some or all of the significant parts of it, the story has much, much less impact IMO.

[eldargal]

It isn't a bubble, up to 80% of sexual assaults go unreported in the UK and it is believed up to 95% of sexual harassment incidents. The numbers are broadly similar accross most Anglosphere nations.

GW stores+FLGS seem to exist in some kind of bubble where the police don't get called for assault+ sexual assault, or many of these stories aren't true/are grossly exaggerated

[Steve54]

It isn't a bubble, up to 80% of sexual assaults go unreported in the UK and it is believed up to 95% of sexual harassment incidents. The numbers are broadly similar accross most Anglosphere nations.

I think that would be quite skewed by domestic figures, the numbers of unreported assaults+sexual assaults I would blatantly be far less in the average high street or shop which is what we're talking about here. You wouldn't have kids, or adults, beaten up or people sexually assaulted in Argos etc without the authorities becoming involved.

[sakura_ninja]

Thankfully nobody ever was aggressive to me, but I've always been the ignored one anyway whenever I went in to a gw.

[Meriwether]

It isn't a bubble, up to 80% of sexual assaults go unreported in the UK and it is believed up to 95% of sexual harassment incidents. The numbers are broadly similar accross most Anglosphere nations.

If they're unreported, how do we know?

(Edit: this question is not rhetorical.)

[Balerion]

If they're unreported, how do we know?

(Edit: this question is not rhetorical.)

Because unreported to law enforcement is not the same thing as unreported to statisticians, social workers, mental health professionals, etc.

[Meriwether]

Because unreported to law enforcement is not the same thing as unreported to statisticians, social workers, mental health professionals, etc.

I'm looking for data. Is she basing this 80% assertion on the single Mumsnet survey, or is there something more to it? And with what research is she backing up the "broadly similar" claims?

[gutsmaka]

what is it with you and rldergal? everytime I see a thread with both of you in it, it usually ends in you starting a fight with her, just stop already!

[Satan]

It isn't a bubble, up to 80% of sexual assaults go unreported in the UK and it is believed up to 95% of sexual harassment incidents. The numbers are broadly similar accross most Anglosphere nations.

Similiar figures abound across other nations as well.

But for one thing - there's a huge discrepancy when it comes to the cases of sexual assaults registered in some countries vs others in mainland Europe, so it's hardly surprising. I'll let Meriweather try to figure that one out himself.

But this is not the forum for this type of discussion. At all.

[Iron Puritan]

Having read extensively on counselling and pastoral matters, I can throw some numbers at you from Canada. According to statistics compiled by Statistics Canada (part of the Canadian government) between 2004 and 2007, fewer than one in ten sexual assault victims reported what happened to them to the police. An estimated 94% of touching incidents go unreported, versus 78% of sexual attacks. Incidents that are not reported to the police directly often end up being reported through medical professionals, teachers, pastors, counsellors, etc. Research in the US estimates that one in four women and one in six men will experience some form of sexual assault in their lifetime. The reluctance of many victims to talk about what happened to them indicates that the numbers may be even higher than the worse estimates. If you want more specifics, Google should be able to give you plenty of data and nightmare fuel.

[Steve54]

Having read extensively on counselling and pastoral matters, I can throw some numbers at you from Canada. According to statistics compiled by Statistics Canada (part of the Canadian government) between 2004 and 2007, fewer than one in ten sexual assault victims reported what happened to them to the police. An estimated 94% of touching incidents go unreported, versus 78% of sexual attacks. Incidents that are not reported to the police directly often end up being reported through medical professionals, teachers, pastors, counsellors, etc. Research in the US estimates that one in four women and one in six men will experience some form of sexual assault in their lifetime. The reluctance of many victims to talk about what happened to them indicates that the numbers may be even higher than the worse estimates. If you want more specifics, Google should be able to give you plenty of data and nightmare fuel.

I'd bet that those attacks that take place in a public place with witnesses, like say a GW of FLGS, are likely to be reported

[VerifiablySane]

I'd bet that those attacks that take place in a public place with witnesses, like say a GW of FLGS, are likely to be reported

Only if someone were to step up and take responsibility for the reporting - it's probably fair to say that most people would rather let someone else do it (and will assume, like you, that obviously SOMEONE will do). If everyone takes this stance, and the victim (for any number of valid reasons) doesn't want to report it him/herself, it just won't happen.

[Dylius]

But this is not the forum for this type of discussion. At all.

I agree. Can we please stop it? I'm sure Rogerio didn't want his thread to get bogged down in all of this...

[Ebon]

I've known it happen, even been involved in one such fight although we took it outside first. In fairness, it was with my brother. We were using the store armies which were Undead (this was before the VC/TK split) and Dwarfs. I was playing Undead but had never played against Dwarfs before. Now, back then, dwarfs had a special rule where any number of a unit of Slayers could be upgraded to Giant/Dragon/Daemon Slayers. He mentions this to me but, not knowing the dwarf rules and thinking my younger brother would be primarily interested in having a fun, fairly competative game, I didn't pay much attention. Cue a unit of fifteen (IIRC) Daemon Slayers just munching most of my battle line. I point out that this was a fairly beardy tactic, he being an obnoxious smartass (as younger brothers are wont to do), it gets heated, we end up beating hell out of each other just outside the door.

[Nirach]

Worst I've seen is a guy just chuck his models from the table into the box he carries them in. He treats them like crap anyway, so I guess it's more "normal" for him than outrageous, but hey.

I have wanted to stamp a dudes super heavies for the number of times they've survived lascannon shots and gone on to turn my tanks into piles of slag, though. Fortunately, I'm not that kind of *******!

[Tresidentevil]

I'd never conduct myself in the manner described regardless of setting. Maybe this is common with teenagers or something? It's totally unacceptable in all walks of life. Being sporting and polite makes you a good opponent and that's something to be proud of.