Physical aggression and fighting in a GW or flgs?

[the creator]

Got a few;

Pompey store in 1992, a teenage lad was stabbed in the gut. not game related violence but by an anonymous stranger that was never caught. Police called, store closed for a week. did not see it happen personally.

Same store (hell, they are all gonna be from the pompey store), lad was beaten badly by another gamer. was thought that it was game related (the beaten lad is a famously bad winner) turns out it was half him rubbing it in the guys face like a child and half a cheating girlfriend issue.

A personal fav of mine because it is a personal story of mine; A regular matlow fella who had been coming to the store for years fights me and my nurgle army. bad tempered, real short and always acting "popeye-like" with rolled up sleeves and always regaling his heroic navy service stories to anyone with ears. I am 6'6", 138KG and a weight lifter. i get into a fair amount of fights because i either have A; a face you just want to punch or B: Am always targeted for my height and musculature. regardless, i won the match after my daemon prince, swooped in and killed off his tooled up termies. He accused me of cheating, i asked him to tell me how/what i had cheated at and he just raged on the spot for a few seconds before launching my prized daemon prince (which i had spent many, many hours converting an inquisitor scaled brother Artemus from) into the wall. I have only lost my temper 4 times in my life and that was one of them. i was not going to have my "honour" questioned by a dwarfy, loud mouthed sailor and then my model smashed.

Im not proud of what i did, but im not sorry for my actions either. i rounded the table and headbutted him. cut my eyebrow and knocked him to the ground. i was great friends with the manager, Paul at the time, we picked him up, made him a cup of tea and i apologized to him, He apologized back and that was that. Solomon the Suffered, seventh son of Nurgle was rebuilt from new pieces and still leads my army today.

[Tresidentevil]

Got a few;

Pompey store in 1992, a teenage lad was stabbed in the gut. not game related violence but by an anonymous stranger that was never caught. Police called, store closed for a week. did not see it happen personally.

Same store (hell, they are all gonna be from the pompey store), lad was beaten badly by another gamer. was thought that it was game related (the beaten lad is a famously bad winner) turns out it was half him rubbing it in the guys face like a child and half a cheating girlfriend issue.

A personal fav of mine because it is a personal story of mine; A regular matlow fella who had been coming to the store for years fights me and my nurgle army. bad tempered, real short and always acting "popeye-like" with rolled up sleeves and always regaling his heroic navy service stories to anyone with ears. I am 6'6", 138KG and a weight lifter. i get into a fair amount of fights because i either have A; a face you just want to punch or B: Am always targeted for my height and musculature. regardless, i won the match after my daemon prince, swooped in and killed off his tooled up termies. He accused me of cheating, i asked him to tell me how/what i had cheated at and he just raged on the spot for a few seconds before launching my prized daemon prince (which i had spent many, many hours converting an inquisitor scaled brother Artemus from) into the wall. I have only lost my temper 4 times in my life and that was one of them. i was not going to have my "honour" questioned by a dwarfy, loud mouthed sailor and then my model smashed.

Im not proud of what i did, but im not sorry for my actions either. i rounded the table and headbutted him. cut my eyebrow and knocked him to the ground. i was great friends with the manager, Paul at the time, we picked him up, made him a cup of tea and i apologized to him, He apologized back and that was that. Solomon the Suffered, seventh son of Nurgle was rebuilt from new pieces and still leads my army today.

I understand why you did it. To be honest both yours and his behaviour was out of order. If it was my shop you'd both have been banned. What he did was out of order but reacting the way you did was wrong, which you admit. This is why some things should be taken outside. At least you learnt from it.

[Glabro]

The worst I've experienced was mild: my friend had just finished Louen Leoncoeur on his Hippogriff and was proudly presenting it to me before the game. I was playing Chaos Dwarfs at the time, and on my turn 1 Zhatan the Black descended from the skies on his Great Taurus(with the Flying High rule, of course) to challenge Louie and Griff to personal combat. Well, Zhatan promptly proceeded to outright kill Louie thanks to his higher WS and Hatred (and free magical item selection!) despite Louie's brilliantly shining armour that provides a -2 modifier to hit. He was steaming at this point, and proceeded to roll on the Monster Reaction table for his Hippogriff, and declared once, in a low voice, that the Hippogriff had flown off. The next thing I know, the Hippogriff was well and truly flying away with him shouting to that effect, missing my head (whether it was aimed at it, I do not know) and being smashed to bits on the opposite wall. It was time to call the game.

In a FLGS had some kids come in and cause trouble, messing about, ridiculing some other kids playing and a regular punched one of them in the back of the head when they were leaving and told them to **** off and never come back. Saw some scuffles when I was a redshirt, but nothing serious. Don't think anything actually game related.

A sneak attack to the back of the head? No matter their behaviour, that guy deserves to get his due for that. That's potentially life-threatening.

I replied with an elbow to his throat

Do these guys purposefully go for the most dangerous shots?

I'm a big lad and have a black belt in karate and a brown belt in Jujitsu -

Friendly word of advice: in the future, you ought to just say "I do a bit of martial arts" instead of listing belt grades. Helps with believability (and I'm not saying I don't believe you whatsoever, just an observation).

At least you learnt from it.

Wait, how did he learn from it? He said he wasn't sorry about it, and understandably so.

[Thoth62]

Not going to lie, a large number of games that I've participated in involved some sort of physical confrontation.

Seriously. I often shake my opponents hand before or after a game. Or both!

I guess that's just the kind of guy I am.

In all seriousness though, I've never in my life seen any sort of act of physical violence or abuse related to warhammer. Sure you get people throwing their dice, or being verbally abusive, but even that's rare. I'm even a member of a gaming group that puts on an event that we call the 40kegger. Bunch of us get together, play some warhammer (tournament style), and drink reasonable quantities of beer. (http://40kegger.blogspot.ca/ <- honestly, it's a thing...) What do you get when you combine alcohol and grown nerds? Interestingly, exactly what you think. A bunch of friends, playing a tournament, with a slight buzz on. What did you think was going to happen?

[ted1138]

"Wargamers gone Wild:Spring Break Edition"?

[I3uLLioN]

Sad thread.

[Luigi]

At my local GW the closest thing we've had is the usual teenage idiots shouting abuse/storming in (asking stupid question, breaking stuff or trying to steal stuff) and won't leave till they're 'helped' or threatened with calling the police.

How is any of this Usual?
Where do you guys live? What kind of adolescents roam the world?

[xxRavenxx]

How is any of this Usual?
Where do you guys live? What kind of adolescents roam the world?

Its annoyingly usual. Im in court again next month giving evidence against yobs for violent and harassing behaviour.

The Uk has developped a class of people who seek to recreate americas gang culture because "its cool". Its becoming a persistant problem.

[shelfunit.]

Its annoyingly usual. Im in court again next month giving evidence against yobs for violent and harassing behaviour.

The Uk has developped a class of people who seek to recreate americas gang culture because "its cool". Its becoming a persistant problem.

100% agree here. I witnessed it in London for 7 years and it is becomng more prevalent all the time. Hope all goes well in court Raven, but I sadly expect the usual let off with a slapped wrist and "promise not to do it again".

[Steve54]

I agree - it is a persistent problem. Kids create a problem, go to court, slap on the wrist. NOT kids create a problem, grown man beats them up (often with enough violence for attempted murder), nothing further happens as seems to be the norm on this thread.

[librerian_samae]

At a private games club evening (in a rented public hall) a few years back we had a group of 'townies' cause no end of problems, slashed car tires, snapped off aerials and wipers, threw things at glass windows, shouting abuse and generally being abusive etc.

After the car vandalism we called the local police, the result?

'Sorry sirs/madams we can't even look into it because (a) they aren't here right now and (b) they are bellow 16 so anything we might do could be con-strewed as child abuse, also reporting this again may be seen in the light or causing a public nuisance.'

End of story local kids ended up causing more damage even to the hall itself and we couldn't do anything.

[simonr1978]

There's no chance I'd be happy with that response. How can reporting acts of vandalism/criminal damage be seen as causing a public nuisance? How can prosecuting those above the age of legal responsibility be considered child abuse in any way, shape or form? Utter nonsense, at the very least many insurance companies would ask for a crime number if you tried to claim for the damage. If I were being cynical, I'd say from what you've said it sounds like a lazy/incompetent local copper who can't be bothered with the paperwork. Personally, I'd be very tempted to take the matter further.

[Commissar Merces]

This thread makes me incredibly sad. The worst I have ever done is curse at my dice, not my opponent. I am always gracious to my opponent, even when things don't go well. Our community is great, worst I have ever witnessed is one guy pack up his army during an Apoc game after some heated words were being exchanged because he was in every way, cheating and making up rules as he went along. He has been banned from the store for other actions which I did not witness so I don't know the reason.

I will say that some of the assessment of the way girls/women are treated in the hobby is sadly accurate. My own girlfriend has felt uncomfortable at times in the store due to some guys randomly walking over to her and seeing what she is painting and proceed to stand behind her for long stretches of time. At this point I usually come over and give her a long kiss and that usually sends them away. You get the occasional crude joke, but she's usually a good sport about that kind of thing. She just really feels uncomfortable around certain guys at the local store because they "creep" her. She's a great judge of people (no really, best intuition I have ever seen) so if she is uncomfortable, we leave. Don't think anyone has done anything to her, or if they have she hasn't told me.

Anyone who keyed/slashed my tires (tweener or otherwise) would have the cops called on them regardless of what an officer said. And if an officer refused to respond I would take matters into my own hands and if anyone tried to sue me after I would point to law enforcement officials as failing to protect myself or my property. What a load of bull crap.

[librerian_samae]

Sadly that was said by the officer when they (the officer) did turn up.

Unlike many who post here myself and my friends are not 6ft+ body building martial artists, so strangely did not fancy facing down a gang of knife wielding maladjusted teens (yes we locked the doors, turned out the lights and hid when they started up).

Anyway apart from that Iv'e not had problems and my wife has always been very well included and made welcome, even so far as being asked to be 'a friendly face' for non clued up customers.

Well until our fLGS unfortunately closed

[Commissar Merces]

See if you are concerned because people are threatening others with weapons and the police won't respond... that is when you say thank you to the sane guy with a conceal carry permit with a .38.

Never should come to that, but if law enforcement isn't going to respond to vandalism and potentially dangerous characters, you can't just stand by and let it happen.

Perhaps the reason no one starts stuff at my store is they know I have many guns, we have an ex marine who has guns, and we have an ex army sergeant with guns.

[Geep]

Except if you have guns the teens could easily have guns... and things go very well from there. (gun issues need their own thread if people want to get into that- I've seen those arguments get big)

I don't get how the police officer could have given that response- and there's no way you could be considered a public nuisance for reporting a crime. I think I'd ask for details on contacting his senior officer.

I've seen girls get (badly) flirted with a lot at my local GW- I can see how it would make them awkward, but I don't think it's much different to anywhere that has a large group of teenage males. Not a good thing, but also not unexpected IMO.

[Iron Puritan]

Do some reading on what living in the UK is like nowadays, especially when it comes to certain interactions with government bureaucracies, law enforcement and crime, etc.. A lot of North Americans would be in for a shock.

[Commissar Merces]

Except if you have guns the teens could easily have guns... and things go very well from there. (gun issues need their own thread if people want to get into that- I've seen those arguments get big)

I don't get how the police officer could have given that response- and there's no way you could be considered a public nuisance for reporting a crime. I think I'd ask for details on contacting his senior officer.

I've seen girls get (badly) flirted with a lot at my local GW- I can see how it would make them awkward, but I don't think it's much different to anywhere that has a large group of teenage males. Not a good thing, but also not unexpected IMO.

Oh I agree with this completely, violence should be the absolute LAST resort and only when someone is being physically abused/threatened with a weapon (as the poster said knives). The authorities, however, should've responded and done their civil duty. That is why you pay taxes for such services. Violence should be avoided at all costs in those situations, but you also have to defend yourself and other innocent people if there is an angry mob running around.

Sounds to me like these kids need a good talking to from their parents.

Flirting and creeping/groping (as some other posters have said) are not the same thing. Flirting is innocent, the others are a bit malicious in intent. Granted, I know most in the hobby probably aren't the most graceful when it comes to social interaction, but there is still a measure of right and wrong with these sort of social situations.

[Thoth62]

Sad thread.

Says the guy who won't bother to contribute...

Flirting and creeping/groping (as some other posters have said) are not the same thing. Flirting is innocent, the others are a bit malicious in intent. Granted, I know most in the hobby probably aren't the most graceful when it comes to social interaction, but there is still a measure of right and wrong with these sort of social situations.

This isn't really a problem at my local GW, as most of the boys are too socially maladjusted to even know what flirting is. The guys that I hang out with around my age (mid 20's) either have girlfriends/wives, or are respectful enough to know better. I'd like to think that my gaming buddies are a good bunch of guys and gals. We get along with each other, are helpful towards others, and respectful of our opponents.

[Commissar Merces]

Says the guy who won't bother to contribute...



This isn't really a problem at my local GW, as most of the boys are too socially maladjusted to even know what flirting is. The guys that I hang out with around my age (mid 20's) either have girlfriends/wives, or are respectful enough to know better. I'd like to think that my gaming buddies are a good bunch of guys and gals. We get along with each other, are helpful towards others, and respectful of our opponents.

Like I said, that really isn't an issue. She is more amused than anything I think.. except for the one guy that leans over her shoulder while she paints. Otherwise everyone has been pretty good.