... and the twin Primarchs Alpahrius and Omegon ... ?

[Nineswords]

This Omegon guy's new. Like, in the last couple years-new.

Since LEGION which came out in 2008, but as many posters have already noted, this is something GW had in mind for a while.

While the quality of some, or even many, is certainly suspect, there are true gems in there. Existence doesn't prove quality or lack thereof.

Agreed. LEGION is definitely a highlight, as is HORUS RISING, THE PRIMARCHS, AGE OF DARKNESS and several others.

As to the original question. Yes, they changed the Alpha Legion fluff. Or rather they did not change it. They added to it, and gave the legion and its primarch(s) more depth and potential storylines.

For me, it certainly ignited the imagination, rather than being cheated.

I'm still convinced that ultimately, Alpharius and Omegon will be revealed as the same person. Or, more accurately, that Omegon was Alpharius the whole time.

As bad ass as this speculation is, there are very numerous references to Alpharius and Omegon being twins. Your second statement, however, is very intriguing.

Actually, from Horus's (I think) vision of the Emperor's laboratory, one of the primarch incubation tubes was described as having a silhouette containing more than two arms (or something of that nature). I believe this to have been Alpharius and Omegon's silhouette's laying on top of one another. When two people's shadows overlay, it's a pretty strange image sometimes. Thus they would've been created as twins, rather than it being a warp accident. This would also explain why they're the shortest of the primarchs and almost as short as their own marines, just as human twins tend to be born smaller than a single child. Though this hasn't been confirmed. It's possible one of the missing primarchs had more than 2 arms...

As noted earlier, it is heavily implied that the twins had already developed in the Emperor's gene laboratories. It would be reasonable to assume the XX primarch zygote produced twins. The vision was Argel Tal's with Ingethel, showing the

consequences of the Gal Vorbak wreaking havoc in the labs.

I totaly agree with you i hate Gw's new priciple of telling us everythign it reduces the room for us to write our own stories by setting a word of god cannon =(

My fallen commander for an example used to be the leader of a dark angels detachment that fought under Horus (after the lion acording to index astarted refused to work with him) who was part of the strikeforce that attacked caliban and betrayed his brothers on the planet. Now if theHH books state there were no dakr angels fighting under the warmasters command they've nullified my background. if they name all the members of the strikeforce that attacked caliban (or maybee state that The lion went alone) then they've nullified my background.

It kinda makes me reluctant to read the HH books.

Creativity works best when you have restrictions. There's not reduction in room when you have literally an entire galaxy to write about. Given the sheer number of Astartes in the Dark Angels and their various secondments and actions in other parts of the galaxy, it would not be unreasonable to assume that a small garrison of Dark Angels working with another Legion or expedition fleet would come back to find that the Dark Angels have gone AWOL (being held up by the Night Lords) and that the Warmaster would simply tell them whatever he wanted to gain their loyalty and be corrupted from there. The great thing about the Heresy is that when it breaks out, everyone is suspicious of each other. In fact, in the novella THE LION,

the primarch himself regards both the Death Guard and the Iron Hands as equally suspicious.

Read the books. Rather than be confining, you'll find they ignite your imagination.

I remember reading about Horus telling someone about how the Emperor once told him about the constellations of the zodiac ... and how he (Horus) represented the Sagittarius, the perfect warrior.

Horus is reminiscing with Loken and Aximand at interex space, and is interrupted by Sanguinius.

[TheDungen]

Hmm i saw them being available on tablets now so maybe when i get one of those, i really dont have any more space for books in my appartment.

After all i've rewrittne my background many times over many editions i think i'll be able to do it again.

[angelismortis]

Hmm i saw them being available on tablets now so maybe when i get one of those, i really dont have any more space for books in my appartment.

After all i've rewrittne my background many times over many editions i think i'll be able to do it again.

You can buy them as ebooks from BL and put them on your tablet.

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[Nazguire]

Anyone know how come on my Galaxy Tab I can't open the BL books?

[angelismortis]

Anyone know how come on my Galaxy Tab I can't open the BL books?

You need to make sure you have an ereader installed that can open the file format you downloaded from BL. It would have been epub or mobi.

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[MichaelJames]

Deliverance Lost makes it clear they're two seperate individuals.

Which raises a few interesting questions: even if one of them actually did die at Guilliman's hand...which one was it, and what happened to the other?

Seen Fight Club? Maybe improbable, but not impossible.

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

Having recently read the Index Astartes article I'm not entirely convinced that Guilleman actually killed the real Alpharius anyway. He found him too easily, they both struck one another but only Alpharius was wounded. And he simply falls over dead. Right.

Like it would be that easy.

Personally I am an identical twin. I love the idea of twin primarchs.

[Khorne Flakes]

Maybe we never knew about omegon untill now because the alpha legion is so secretive? And GW needed a full length novel to incorperate him into the story. Honestly, which way is better
1. Reading an epic adenture building up to the climax where alpharius is revealed to have a twin. Or
2. Reading a half page long short story in a white dwarf magazine where they suddenly throw a twin primarch at you.

[loveless]

Honestly, which way is better
1. Reading an epic adenture building up to the climax where alpharius is revealed to have a twin. Or
2. Reading a half page long short story in a white dwarf magazine where they suddenly throw a twin primarch at you.

The second one. I'm subjected to less of GW's "writing" that way

[Nineswords]

Maybe we never knew about omegon untill now because the alpha legion is so secretive? And GW needed a full length novel to incorperate him into the story. Honestly, which way is better
1. Reading an epic adenture building up to the climax where alpharius is revealed to have a twin. TURN TO PAGE 34
2. Reading a half page long short story in a white dwarf magazine where they suddenly throw a twin primarch at you. TURN TO PAGE 56

I've corrected your post for you.

[Spider-pope]

You may also want to rename the thread to something like "Alpha legion primarch question" as some people may not have read Legion and will be upset that you have revealed what is essential the main surprise\mystery in the book.

Given that GW are openly referencing the existence of the twin Primarchs now in the blurbs of other Heresy books, i would say it's no longer a spoiler really.

[Scammel]

Another interesting point from Legion is that at the very end, the Marine doing the fighting on the ship likely isn't the big A himself, or even Omegon - the line he says after getting stabbed by Whatsisface is parroted verbatim from one of the captains earlier in the book. It could just be one of Abnett's interesting little Easter eggs, but it'd be interesting if it were intended to conceal something about the nature of the Primarch themselves.

[Nineswords]

Another interesting point from Legion is that at the very end, the Marine doing the fighting on the ship likely isn't the big A himself, or even Omegon - the line he says after getting stabbed by Whatsisface is parroted verbatim from one of the captains earlier in the book. It could just be one of Abnett's interesting little Easter eggs, but it'd be interesting if it were intended to conceal something about the nature of the Primarch themselves.

Yes, that was something I've been thinking. The trooper is Sheed Ranko.

[Tzen]

From what I can gather about the Alpha Legion, and their twin Primarchs, is that the novels are being written with the two sides of the primarch being put on display.

Regardless of if Alpharius does end up being killed by Guilleman, I think Alpharius and Omegan are slowly drifting apart. The idea of the many hydra heads all working in unison is a nice image, but with the corrupting effects of chaos slowly creeping through the legion, sowing mistrust etc, both primarchs are going to eventually disagree for the first time ever.

This is hinted at in the new short story/novella in the latest Heresy novel.

The imagery for me of the many different heads of the hydra all now attacking each other because neither knows which one is on their side is a really nice one. It also lays the path open for two different sides of the Alpha legion in the current 40k setting. This leave sus with two possible scenarios.

1) The Alpha legion turns traitor completely. The failure of the heresy was all part of the plan but the price they have paid is the loss of their legion and the unity of their primarchs. One has fallen to Chaos and the other has stayed away from Chaos. This would explain the current warped Alpha legion marines in the current setting. It seems quite fitting. None of them have turned back to the Emperor, they have just been driven mad by the warps influence/their primarchs division.

2) One of the primarchs regrets turning from the Imperium, but realises there is no simple way back into the fold because the Emperor is "dead", and he has to wait out till he is not so "dead" to gain forgiveness. The other primarch fully turns to chaos. This would explain the battlecry "for the emperor" a bit. It also explains the warped Alpha legion marines in the current setting.

I prefer the first one myself, as I dont like the idea of the the Alpha legion regretting their actions. Plus it seems more credible.

But yeah, if you read the latest Novella story thing, it seems like there are rifts in the legion which means the many heads are no longer acting as one!

[Danny76]

Seen Fight Club? Maybe improbable, but not impossible.

I was going I post this in reply to an earlier post about how they can't be one and the same as the reader following one hears of them being separate. And they don't break the fourth wall to tell us that so it must be in story.

But fight club, and several other films and books I've read have characters that are distinct and separate to the reader through description of the narrative story but then the reveal changes that.
So until definitive proof they were separate comes. It could be one psyche.

I however believe they were two in the same pod as hinted in various books and sources here

[ryng_sting]

Seen Fight Club and read the novel, and since we know Omegon is an actual seperate character, rather a mere projection, I don't see the relevance.

[Excessus]

Tzen, wasn't the original fluff behind the "for the emperor" to sow confusion in the enemy troops? That's how I still view it(thus my sig)...

After all, soldiers would be a bit confused when the marines they thought were bad guys seem to be fighting for the emperor. They would suddenly be distrustful of orders and the cause they are fighting for, perhaps it is THEIR commanders that were turned to the dark side, wasn't that last drill a little bit too harsh? Didn't that last party seem a bit too decadent?

All it takes is some well placed operatives!


To the ones not liking "new" fluff: So you'd rather go back to the days where Tigurius was half-eldar? Are you amish? Fluff changes and expands, deal with it!

[Sami]

The Alpha legion turns traitor completely. The failure of the heresy was all part of the plan but the price they have paid is the loss of their legion and the unity of their primarchs. One has fallen to Chaos and the other has stayed away from Chaos. This would explain the current warped Alpha legion marines in the current setting. It seems quite fitting. None of them have turned back to the Emperor, they have just been driven mad by the warps influence/their primarchs division.

Granted I've only read Legion, but surely the success of the heresy was the plan? You know, let Horus win, new "Imperium" implodes on itself, humanity pretty much wiped out, Chaos lose their main source of power.

[MyNameDidntFit]

The plan of the Cabal was to have Horus win decisively. Ie. the Emperor is truly and properly dead, the Imperium lies in tatters, is built over by Horus' chaos-fuelled domain which quickly burns itself out, taking humanity with it and leaving the Dark Gods without their greatest weapon.

Unfortunately, Horus didn't win.

[Apfeljunge]

And you really believe A and O bought into that and basically said: "Sure, let's whip out all of humanity so all those aliens are safe from Chaos?"