Astroaths off table and reserve rolls

[damiengore]

Do you get the astropath bonuses if he is off table at the start of the turn the reserves are rolled for?

thanks

[don_mondo]

You lose the +1 bonus when the astropath is dead. Whilst in reserves, is the astropath dead or alive?

[damiengore]

Um okay I'll take that as a yes, thanks!

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[ColShaw]

...but what if his name is Schroedinger...?

[don_mondo]

Then it's neither dead nor alive, but since it is not dead it works.........

[Stonerhino]

That only works if the player's name is Schroedinger and the Astropath is in a box and or miniature case.

[Poncho160]

But surley if the Astropath is in a box and or miniature case its whole exsistence and state of being is called into place. So how can you get the +1 if you do not even know the if the Astropath even exisits or not?

[Lostprophet217]

What a bunch of nerds!

[Stonerhino]

But surley if the Astropath is in a box and or miniature case its whole exsistence and state of being is called into place. So how can you get the +1 if you do not even know the if the Astropath even exisits or not?

After careful consideration. I have come to the conclusion that the IG is such a bureaucracy that having the Astropath's name on the roster is simply enough.

To expand. If there is enough soldiers believing that the Astropath is alive. Then their beliefs will be echoed by the warp and the effects of the astropath will still be in effect. Until that befief is changed by opening the box and discovering that the astropath is in fact dead. At which time the benefit from the warp's "Astropath" like effect will cease.

So once you include an astropath in an army list. The army will benefit from him being on the roster untill such time that he is proven to be dead or is actually killed on the battle field.

To conclued:
The +1 would still apply until the astropath is proven to be not alive.

[FashaTheDog]

This is the best thread ever. It should be stickied.

[Fithos]

After careful consideration. I have come to the conclusion that the IG is such a bureaucracy that having the Astropath's name on the roster is simply enough.

To expand. If there is enough soldiers believing that the Astropath is alive. Then their beliefs will be echoed by the warp and the effects of the astropath will still be in effect. Until that befief is changed by opening the box and discovering that the astropath is in fact dead. At which time the benefit from the warp's "Astropath" like effect will cease.

So once you include an astropath in an army list. The army will benefit from him being on the roster untill such time that he is proven to be dead or is actually killed on the battle field.

To conclued:
The +1 would still apply until the astropath is proven to be not alive.

So what you are saying is that once the Astropath arrives on the battlefield the waveform collapses into a defined single state of alive and in doing so simultaneously creates the appropriate history of the particle (IE Astropath) such that he was always alive and will continue to be until observed as dead.

Interestingly enough, since this transition of the waveform depends on the observation of the death of the Astropath and not the death itself why doesn't the Empire exploit this and have "Quantum Box" as a wargear option for the command squad?

[Stonerhino]

Only because of the effects of the warp. Otherwise the scenario will revert back into a state of both dead and alive. To which you can argue that the army would not recieve the +1. Untill proven to be alive.

[Poncho160]

Ahh I see Stonerhinos point. Becasue 40K is a fantasy setting and the power of belief could be considered to be an actual force, just having enough Guardsmen believe that an Astropath is present could be enough to gain the +1 effect.

The argument to this would be that the opposing army would not know about the Astropath. So would thier disbelief that someone was trying to claim a +1 without having the miniature be enough to counteract the guardsmen belief?

An interesting conundrum indeed!

[Bunnahabhain]

Well, it could be reasoned that most other armies would be able to gather intelligence about the Guard through whatever means, i.e.

Necrons/tau- Radio intercepts
D.E/Orks- torture
Eldar, chaos, Nids- psychics
Marines, CSMs, Nids- gaining knowledge through eating the enemy ( or has that one been ret-conned?)

I don't think even the most ardent commissar could come up with a suitable punishment for giving away info to the enemy through being eaten...