Why All The Hate For The Lion? PLEASE USE SPOILERS! :)

[stormblade]

Jagathai Khan is just a name i guess.

Khan is a title, I think it means leader or cheften.

Leman russ is just a name.

I'm just guessing here, but Russ had always reminded me of Russia. Some claim, however, that the term originally ment norse as the old slavic world rusъ means light-brown (close to blond) and there are histiorians who think that some of the first greater settlements in what would become russia where made by varyags.

Horus is just a name (though a fitting one considering his fate)

Horus fights Set to avange his father, the name is fitting only as irony I think.

[Sqallum]

Um... this is a bit off topic, but carry on anyway, and shh!!!

[Lord-Caerolion]

To my knowledge, Fulgrim is fairly close to fulcrum, the point on which a lever turns. Relatively fitting to name the Primarch who arguable fell the furthest after a turning point.

[TheDungen]

Isnt there some word that basically means enduring which is kind alike that i asumed that was what they were going for, iron enduring more then flesh after all.

Corvus Corax is the scientific name for raven yes but in the fluff its said that in the laguage spoken on deliverance its means saviour or deliverer. Thats the weakest name i think, how big are the odds that a panets word for saviour just happens to be the latin word for raven? highly unlikely unless their mytology centers aroung a ravne god (isnt that one of tzeentch's titles) which will deliver them.

I know horus is an egyptian god, the god of vengance to be exact, the son of Osiris sent by Isis to destoy seth. It sjsut that has nothign to do with what horus does in 40k so in this setting its just a name. Maybee it means that the inhabitants of his homeplanet were egyptian in descent but that all.

I am aware that Khan is warlord in Mongolia, but apart from telling us the people of his planet where of mongolian descent its still just a name and a title.

I've heard that Russia came from Russland which is a derivation of Roslagen which is place in sweden where the crusaders who became the first tsars came from. It meant home where they came from so they called their new home roslagen too and in slavic mouths in time became Rossiya (sweden in finnish is called Ruotsi). I'd say that of Ros means blonde it comes from that too since the invaders from roslagen where very likely blonde. But that might be a bit far of topic.

As for Fulgrim i think you read far to much into it i'm pretty sure its a real life name existing long before wh 40k.

[TheDungen]

I figured out Horus! In the original fluff Horus was the first primarch recovered by the emperor, on the moon (thats why his legion was the luna wolves). That means he was propably pretty young. So the emperor might have named him himself. He named him Horus since he would be what horus was for osiris bringing his vengance upon the gods of chaos (the imperial truth wasnt around back when horus was found on luna).

When they changed his backstory int eh HH books they couldnt exactly change his name so that stayed as a relic of the old fluff (same with Luna Wolves).

I could be wrong but it makes sense.

Edit: Just checked out Index Astertes Sons of Horus (WD 268) and it says that its thought that Horus was the first primarch to be found (we know this to be wrong now after the HH books but anyway) and that he was the only son of the empreror for many years before finding the next one. (Thats not said thats its thought thats a word of god statement meaning we've got ourselves a retcon). Nothign on the empreror naming horus though but its possible. (in the old fluff however)

[SomeRandomEvilGuy]

Edit: Just checked out Index Astertes Sons of Horus (WD 268) and it says that its thought that Horus was the first primarch to be found (we know this to be wrong now after the HH books but anyway)

So who was the first Primarch found and where were they found?

[Private_SeeD]

My view on the Lion is the same after reading the 2 Dark Angel HH, which I admit found rather hard reading since I really liked the DA chapter and found that the books didn't live up to my expectations. With regards to which side the Lion was on, I think he was trying to play on both sides so who wver won gave him the most leverage. However I've only jst got my copy of 'The Primarchs' so haven't read the novella yet. So my view might change after reading it

[shadowhawk2008]

Edit: Just checked out Index Astertes Sons of Horus (WD 268) and it says that its thought that Horus was the first primarch to be found (we know this to be wrong now after the HH books but anyway)

Pray tell, how do the HH books tell us that Horus was NOT the first primarch to be found by the Emperor?

[Lord-Caerolion]

Horus was the first primarch to be found (we know this to be wrong now after the HH books but anyway) and that he was the only son of the empreror for many years before finding the next one. (Thats not said thats its thought thats a word of god statement meaning we've got ourselves a retcon). Nothign on the empreror naming horus though but its possible. (in the old fluff however)

And what HH book would that be? Not a single one of them mentions a Primarch being found before Horus, and I've read all of them other than the Outcast Dead.

[Giladisb]

I think Angron was inspired by an Illyrian king called Agron who was quite warlike and bloodthirsty and his troops were quite good at capturing greek cities along the coast so that might be the inspiration for "eaters of cities".

[TheDungen]

I just asumed since the dark angels are listed as Legion I on all the lists and The Lunar Wolves are listed as legion XVI.

Why would they be Listed in any other order than in the order of found primarchs? But from your reaction it seems i assumed wrong. Well then te point stands. The empreor wanted Horus to be what god Horus was for Osiris for him. So he named him after the god. (Or somethign like that) or does the HH books contradict this? Anyway i can bet you anything thats what the story was suposed to be when they named him.

[Lupe]

Well, the Legion numerals have been in the same order since before the Heresy books, and in the same sources that said Horus was the first to be found.

The Horus Heresy series in fact further references this in many books. Most notable is one of the First Legion books, where the Lion says the follwoing

Horus became our father’s favourite son for no other reason than fate. Had I been the first one he’d found, I would be Warmaster today. No offence.

[Saul]

I'm just guessing here, but Russ had always reminded me of Russia. Some claim, however, that the term originally ment norse as the old slavic world rusъ means light-brown (close to blond) and there are histiorians who think that some of the first greater settlements in what would become russia where made by varyags.

Rus - "the men who row"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus_%28name%29

[Lord-Caerolion]

I just asumed since the dark angels are listed as Legion I on all the lists and The Lunar Wolves are listed as legion XVI.

Why would they be Listed in any other order than in the order of found primarchs? But from your reaction it seems i assumed wrong. Well then te point stands. The empreor wanted Horus to be what god Horus was for Osiris for him. So he named him after the god. (Or somethign like that) or does the HH books contradict this? Anyway i can bet you anything thats what the story was suposed to be when they named him.

The Legions were numbered in the order they were created, as were the Primarchs. The Lion was the first Primarch, and his Legion was thus the first to be developed, and as such they were the First Legion.

[sweave]

i don't think that's what happened
the legions were created in a numbered order but i believe the primarchs were all created at the same time
so primarch capsule number is not connected to legion number

[Lupe]

Actually, the numbers on the primarch capsules *seem* correct (as of The First Heretic and Horus Rising), so that might be the order the primarchs were created in.
The legions, on the other hand, might not have been created in the same order as the primarchs, but they retain the numbering of the gene-seed strand used in their creation...

[Lord-Caerolion]

Well, once again, we know the Dark Angels, who had Primarch I, were the First Legion, and that the Alpha Legion were only created 20 years before their Primarch was discovered. However, I don't mean that they were created in the order "Primarch/Legion/Primarch/Legion/Primarch" etc, but rather that the Lion was the first Primarch created, with the others soon following, but they were created in a definite order, which was recorded on their pods. After the Primarchs were scattered, they began creating the Legions properly, and used the genetic data of the Primarchs in numerical order.

[narrativium]

Well, once again, we know ... that the Alpha Legion were only created 20 years before their Primarch was discovered.

Where do we know this from?

[Lord-Caerolion]

From their IA article. It states that they were created an incredibly short time before their Primarch was found, and I can't remember if it was in there or in Legion that gives the 20 year time period.

[MvS]

Khan is a title, I think it means leader or cheften.

Jagathai Khan was a nod towards the Great Khans of the Mongolian Empire, most specifically in this case Chagatai Khan. Although I think the actual character of Jaghatai is more like a cocktail of both Genghis and Kublai in spaaaace!!!