Why All The Hate For The Lion? PLEASE USE SPOILERS! :)

[TheDungen]

Seems strange they would've all been scattered at the same time.

[DietDolphin]

Well, once again, we know the Dark Angels, who had Primarch I, were the First Legion, and that the Alpha Legion were only created 20 years before their Primarch was discovered. However, I don't mean that they were created in the order "Primarch/Legion/Primarch/Legion/Primarch" etc, but rather that the Lion was the first Primarch created, with the others soon following, but they were created in a definite order, which was recorded on their pods. After the Primarchs were scattered, they began creating the Legions properly, and used the genetic data of the Primarchs in numerical order.

I thought the Primarchs were all created at the same time and the numbers were just an arbitrary way to differentiate them. From the books where people go back and see them they all seem to be grown to about the same point. Also this makes more sense considering the whole "Emperor's bargain" idea.

The legions however were created in numerical order (you have to start somewhere...) as this is stated a few times and even witnessed in The First Heretic.

[Sqallum]

The thing that annoyed me after reading the Primarchs is that (MASSIVE SPOILER!)

He killes Nemiel...for literally no reason. He could have just demoted him, but instead punches his head off and could waste an interesting confrontation with Zahiriel if they meet on Caliban as enemies instead of cousins. It would build up characterisation, and be a very good scene. But hey

[stormblade]

The thing that annoyed me after reading the Primarchs is that (MASSIVE SPOILER!)

He killes Nemiel...for literally no reason. He could have just demoted him, but instead punches his head off and could waste an interesting confrontation with Zahiriel if they meet on Caliban as enemies instead of cousins. It would build up characterisation, and be a very good scene. But hey

This is seconed work by Thorpe in which a primarch somewhat randomly kills a chaplain.

Odd.

[GavT]

Just a brief thought on Primarach/ Legion numbers. Consider the following course of events.

Emperor creates twenty Primarchs, and as they are essentially experiments, numbers them 1-20 in no particular order to differentiate them.

Primarchs stolen by Chaos.

Emperor sighs heavily, starts making Space Marine legions from Primarch DNA, starting with geneseed from project no.1. Then project number 2.

Makes sense to me.

Gav

[narrativium]

The thing that annoyed me after reading the Primarchs is that (MASSIVE SPOILER!)

He killes Nemiel...for literally no reason. He could have just demoted him, but instead punches his head off and could waste an interesting confrontation with Zahiriel if they meet on Caliban as enemies instead of cousins. It would build up characterisation, and be a very good scene. But hey

There's good reason for that, though.

Where's the danger, if you know Nemiel's going to survive everything the Heresy's going to throw at him? Now you know he didn't. Now the expectation's gone, and the story picks up excitement and unpredictability instead.

That said... what will Zahariel say when he finds out the Lion killed his friend? There's still a confrontation coming.

[TheDungen]

Just a brief thought on Primarach/ Legion numbers. Consider the following course of events.

Emperor creates twenty Primarchs, and as they are essentially experiments, numbers them 1-20 in no particular order to differentiate them.

Primarchs stolen by Chaos.

Emperor sighs heavily, starts making Space Marine legions from Primarch DNA, starting with geneseed from project no.1. Then project number 2.

Makes sense to me.

Gav

Ah thank you Gav, that has been bugging me for quite some time now. I also like the idea that the emperors response to years or even decades of work being undone by the chaos gods is a mere sigh.

[Mikial]

Russ (dunno whats the real intention here, but it makes me think of cold and "cruel" Russia)
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So dunno, I wouldn't make a fuzz for these names, I see them basically as left-overs from a more comic-like period of 40k which was full of jokes and irony.

Actually, "Russ" was the original name of the Norse travelers that settled what later became Russia. They were essentially Swedish Viking stock. So it fits well with the SW viking personae.

[TheDungen]

Think i've said it before (here?) but i've always heard that Russia is a slavificiation (is that a word?) of roslagen which is in sweden. The forst nobles there came from sweden and roslagen was home to them where they came for so they named their new home the same and then the word changed because the people there spoke a Slavic language.

[stormblade]

They're all theories so no specific conclusion can be reached.
And using the world nobles is somewhat misleading as both societies were more or less tribal at that stage.

[TheDungen]

Ok how about these words; conquerors or oppressors?