Mono-Tzeentch WoC- 2400 points

[BigbyWolf]

Fantasy Army: WoC

So, I'm taking a break from painting hordes of Zombies/ Ghouls/ Skeletons/ Graveguard as I'm starting to flag with them, and they're not turning out quite as nice as I would hope. I want to practice a bit more on something else, so am going to crack on with my WoC (after I've stripped the piles of old metal warriors I have) in an attempt to improve my woefully neglected paining skills (collecting and gaming since the mid 90's, and only around 10% of my models are painted satisfactorily ). With that in mind, I'm putting a new list together which will focus on the heavily armoured side of the army (or, at least, avoid Marauders...I really can't do human skin/ faces...).

Lords:

Chaos Lord- Mark of Tzeentch, Great Weapon, Crown of Everlasting Conquest, Helm of Many Eyes, Dragon Helm- 312

This guy has to be taken, mainly because I love the model I'm using, and the set-up is my attempt to bring Aekold Helbrass into my army...the original character had a form of regeneration (Shown by the Crown, and backed up by the Dragon Helm just in case), and a magical two-handed sword that could either grant him the fly ability (which I'm not really bothered about), ASF (Helm oME), or be used as a thrown weapon (if I have some points left I may give him Blood-curdling Roar to represent this). I'm aware he's not the optimal lord choice, but he's a decent fighter, with alright protection and will add some punch t a unit of Warriors

Heroes:

Sorcerer- Mark of Tzeentch, Level 2, Disc of Tzeentch, Golden Eye, Dispel Scroll- 210
Sorcerer- Level 2, Staff of Sorcery- 155

Bit of magical power, the MoT one gives me +3 to cast a few spells, the unmarked one gives me flexibility on lore as well as +3 to dispel.

Total Characters- 677

I still have points left available in this section, perhaps a BSB could be added, or I could chuck in a few gifts or something like that.

Core:

20 Warriors- MoT, Full Command, War Banner, Shields- 395
18 Warriors- MoT- Full Command, Banner of Rage, Shields, Halberds- 391
2x5 Dogs- 60

One unit 5x4 as anvil, the other 6x3 as hammer. Dogs do what dogs do. Lord goes in anvil unit.

Total Core- 846

Special:

5 Knights- Tzeentch, Blasted Standard, Full Command- 310
5 Knights- Tzeentch, Banner of Eternal Flame, Full Command- 280

Total so far- 2113

Now, I've been focussing on my OnG, VC and my Nurgle monster WoC in 8th so far, only a couple of games with my warriors and am not overly bothered with an uber-competitive list at this point (I have other, preferred tourny armies), but on the other hand, ideally I'd not like to get trounced each and every game. Luckily we tend to play friendly games unless preparing for a tournament, so it's not like I'll be facing off with high-tier lists.

I've got full command on all my units so far, for a sense of completeness, and it also gives me a few points to drop. Are they really needed for WoC these days?

The Knights- keep two units, or go for one bigger one (6-10) and invest points elsewhere? If the unit is bigger I'd probably go without the Blasted Standard, maybe just take the Flaming Banner instead (although that runs the risk of coming up against unsporting people using the Dragon Helm or Gem ).

So, at the moment I have 287 points left, any suggestions on what to add? At the moment I have a solid core, hard-hitting flankers and a couple of chaff units, so anything else would really be icing on the cake. I've got pretty much all the units to choose from, the only restriction is no Marauders or Horsemen. If possible I'd prefer to avoid monsters (Trolls, Ogres, Dragon Ogres, Giants as they are in my other army), so ideally I'd be looking at options from Chariots, Shrines, Hellcannons, Chosen (if I have to), more dogs, and Spawn, although I'm not ruling out monsters totally. As I said earlier I also have points available for characters.

As usual, any thoughts or suggestions would be muchly appreciated.

[MOMUS]

I would be quite happy to play this list, now go away and write some background fluff concerning the origins of your chaos lord. Perhaps he had some naughty brothers...?











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[Shush]

I'm sorry Bigby, it means nothing to me

You could do a Project Log!?

[BigbyWolf]

I would be quite happy to play this list, now go away and write some background fluff concerning the origins of your chaos lord. Perhaps he had some naughty brothers...?

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Luckily, the Lord I have already has a good background...Aekold Helbrass? Surely that means something? Or am I showing my age?

As for the lizzies, if you can laser-cut me a Kroq-gar on carnosaur, it'd go a lot quicker...

I'm sorry Bigby, it means nothing to me

You could do a Project Log!?

One day, when I can paint better and have a camera with enough mega-pixies to take a decent photo.

In the meantime, if you like photos of things glued together and undercoated, then I'm your man!

[MOMUS]

Luckily, the Lord I have already has a good background...Aekold Helbrass? Surely that means something? Or am I showing my age?

As for the lizzies, if you can laser-cut me a Kroq-gar on carnosaur, it'd go a lot quicker...

Ah yes Aekold, I couldnt remember his name. Even though i now realise you wrote it in the description

I wouldnt mind laser cutting you some lizard stuff. Have you anything for trade?

[Jo-Jo]

Now tell me anecdotes about how good units are, even when people advice against them.

[BigbyWolf]

Now tell me anecdotes about how good units are, even when people advice against them.

Well, in attempt to make it easier to read I've trimmed off the tactical discussion...

Lords:

Chaos Lord- Mark of Tzeentch, Great Weapon, Crown of Everlasting Conquest, Helm of Many Eyes, Dragon Helm- 312

Heroes:

Sorcerer- Mark of Tzeentch, Level 2, Disc of Tzeentch, Golden Eye, Dispel Scroll- 210
Sorcerer- Level 2, Staff of Sorcery- 155

Total Characters- 677

Core:

20 Warriors- MoT, Full Command, War Banner, Shields- 395
18 Warriors- MoT- Full Command, Banner of Rage, Shields, Halberds- 391
2x5 Dogs- 60

Total Core- 846

Special:

5 Knights- Tzeentch, Blasted Standard, Full Command- 310
5 Knights- Tzeentch, Banner of Eternal Flame, Full Command- 280

Total so far- 2113

See first post for my questions/ thoughts...

[Adjudicator]

looks like a good list to me. cant go wrong with a hellcannon though, abit extra ranged punch is always a welcome in any WoC army!!!

[BigbyWolf]

looks like a good list to me. cant go wrong with a hellcannon though, abit extra ranged punch is always a welcome in any WoC army!!!

Aye, you can't go wrong with one of them, and it fits the armoured theme. That's 205 of my remaining points taken up. I'll have another look at the list later, see what else I can tweak.

[scubasteve04]

Flaming wont affect the Knights, as they already have magical weapons. Swap the frenzy banner on the halberds with the knights as the Knights will benefit from it more (horses get bonus attack too) and give the flaming banner to the halberds so you have something to deal with regen.

[scubasteve04]

Flaming wont affect the Knights, as they already have magical weapons. Swap the frenzy banner on the halberds with the knights as the Knights will benefit from it more (horses get bonus attack too) and give the flaming banner to the halberds so you have something to deal with regen.

I would try to get infernal puppet on that unmarked wizard instead of staff of sorcerery.

Your lord loadout is a bit weird. I understand that you are going for fluff, but I think you can do something different. You are basically paying for a 37pt ogre blade with non magical attacks and stupidity.

[Audust]

Drop the champions in the knights. Too many points for the additional attack imo. Actually I think you use too much points on the two knight units. In groups of 5 they tend to do very little, at least in my experience. Maybe keep one as a flank protector and use the extra points on something else. Or maybe combine the two units into a bigger one, depends on how you want to use them.

I also think your list is a little small. Add the hellcannon (which is capable of holding a flank on its own) and maybe a chariot as a support unit.

[Svarten]

Helm of Many Eyes, and Great Weapon will take eachother out, so he'll still strike in Initiative order.

//Svarten

[scubasteve04]

Helm of Many Eyes, and Great Weapon will take eachother out, so he'll still strike in Initiative order.

//Svarten

Thats what I mean. Helm of Many eyes+ great weapon= 2+ str non magical attacks with stupidity for 37 pts, or Ogre blade for 2+str magical attacks for 40pts.

[Svarten]

Sorry, I somehow missed your post ^^

//Svarten

[BigbyWolf]

Good point on the Ogre blade, I did have a different magic item in there that meant I didn't have enough points for any more items but dropped it before the first list.

Anyway, taking some advice on board, I've done a partial second draft with some options for the remaining points.

Lords:

Chaos Lord- Mark of Tzeentch, Crown of Everlasting Conquest, Ogre Blade, Potion of Speed, Dragon Helm- 312

Heroes:

Sorcerer- Mark of Tzeentch, Level 2, Disc of Tzeentch, Golden Eye, Dispel Scroll- 210
Sorcerer- Level 2, Staff of Sorcery- 155

Total Characters- 685

Core:

20 Warriors- MoT, Full Command, Standard of Discipline, Shields- 385
18 Warriors- MoT- Full Command, Shields, Halberds- 356
2x5 Dogs- 60

Total Core- 801

Special:

6 Knights- Mark of Tzeentch, Std, Mus, Banner of Rage- 325

Rare:

Hellcannon- 205

Total so far- 2016

384 left.

So, I've changed the lord, Ogre Blade (as others have stated) gives the +2S without the downside of stupidity, and the potion will give him one turn of high(er) initiative. The Knights have been trimmed down and frenzied, and the banners have gone from the Warriors, but I've added the Standard of Discipline to beef the Ld of the centre.

So, options...well, I do have enough points for a stripped down Sorcerer Lord (MoT or Extra level, or both if I drop the potion and helm from the Chaos Lord). This would free up some options for a combat hero.

Other options are further Warriors- I can still get a good-sized unit of them in there. A Warshrine might be useful as well, back up a unit with some buffs and provide a moderate anvil.

To give an idea, as little helpers, 2 units of 12 vanilla Warriors with AHW are 384 points, which is perfect.

Dual chariots could prove useful on a flank, 8 warrior attacks + steeds & impact hits should put a dent in smaller units sneaking around, or perhaps back up the main line with flank charges.

Looking at the above, 2 plain chariots and a MoT Shrine are 390 points, so I'd have to shed 6 somewhere.

Another option is a variant of a unit I used to run in 7th in a magic missile spam list:

10 Chosen- Tzeentch, Full command, Shields, Banner of Wrath, Book of Secrets- 330

Basically, a little unit that can pop out a couple of magic missiles, and can add a few more attacks in a combat. It's not optimal in 8th, as it's pretty small. Although should I wish, I can fit another 2 Chosen. I'd only consider this if I couldn't settle on anything else.

Obviously, a few of the options (Chariots, Shrines, Warriors) are interchangeable, I can also increase the size of any existing unit, or add a further unit of knights.

Once again, your advice would be muchly appreciated...

[Gop]

A BSB would be a fine addition to this list. Just a cheap one who doesn't do much but give rerolls would do.

[BigbyWolf]

For a BSB, I don't have a book with me at present, but I'd probably be looking at around 150 points for him plus a little bit of kit. I'll crunch some numbers later and see what else I can fit in.