Trazyn the Infinite has a Primarch?

[GlenMorray]

Just read the fluff about Trazyn on the GW website, looks like he has a Primarch in his 'collection'!?

Thoughts?

Amongst his collection are the fabled wraithbone choir of Altansar, the preserved head of Sebastian Thor, the ossified husk of an Enslaver and a giant man clad in baroque power armour.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...d=prod1380037a

[Scalebug]

Thoughts?

That someone with more time than me is going to list you a few examples of the dozen threads on this already done...

Bottom line; Sure could be one of the Primarchs not confirmed dead or having ascended to daemonhood.
Absolutely do not have to be, or really suggested so by the text.

[hazmiter]

He's a very strange eclectic necron lord...
What can I say, he likes to collect things.... He might even have a collection of baseball cards, a couple of dvds and the emperor's first toy from when the emperor was a child.

Seriously though, it may just be a primarch that he found floating about.
Had a friend say it was Russ.

[narrativium]

It could be older than that. Power Armour is an STC technology - so somewhere in the galaxy, it predates the Great Crusade. The giant man could be a warrior from a much earlier time.

[gutsmaka]

been over this god knows how many times.
to sum up all the other threads... could be, could not be, not enough info, GW does this vaugeness on purpose so we can make up our own minds

(because the only way to make all these guys happy is to let them make up their own fluff)

[TimLeeson]

Personally, I'm far more interested in that dead Enslaver, wish there was a picture of it.

[GlenMorray]

Consider me well and truly put in my place...

Last time I open my stupid mouth!

[Born Again]

It could be older than that. Power Armour is an STC technology - so somewhere in the galaxy, it predates the Great Crusade. The giant man could be a warrior from a much earlier time.

Not exactly STC. The Mk I Thunder Armour is described as being used by the Techno-Barbarians of Terra during the Age of Strife, but AFAIK has never been described as being used anywhere else. Mk 2 was designed on Mars specifically for launch of the Great Crusade, and the rest is history. Anyway, the point is yes, power armour predates the Crusade, but (at least that we know of) only on Terra. Which means at least some Necrons were awake and visited Terra before the Crusade began, or the giant in question is Primarch-era or later.

[Lupe]

Not exactly STC. The Mk I Thunder Armour is described as being used by the Techno-Barbarians of Terra during the Age of Strife, but AFAIK has never been described as being used anywhere else. Mk 2 was designed on Mars specifically for launch of the Great Crusade, and the rest is history. Anyway, the point is yes, power armour predates the Crusade, but (at least that we know of) only on Terra. Which means at least some Necrons were awake and visited Terra before the Crusade began, or the giant in question is Primarch-era or later.

The Auretian Technocracy encountered by Horus in False Gods had access to bolters and power armour so similar to the one Astartes used that it was actually unnerving for the Luna Wo... ahem... Sons of Horus to fight them. And we're talking about a human confederation so remote the Imperium only encountered it roughly 200 years into the Crusade. I'm pretty sure it's at least implied (if not outright stated) that these were all STC templates.

[Eetion]

It also says a giant man. 'Giant' is a matter of perspective. It maybe a marine, a custodes, a primarch, an particularly large Inquisitor.
Its all a bit too vague to draw much of a conclusion from.

[The bearded one]

It's intended to be vague.

[Lord Damocles]

Giant of a man in baroque armour, eh?

Space Marine.

There. That fits the description as well as a Primarch.


Scalebug sums it up well - but I'm not going to bother to search out any links!

[totgeboren]

At first it sounds like a chaos marine to me, whom have quite baroque armour. However, having such a marine in his collection is a bit like saying he had a "Humanoid creature with fine features and pointy ears". That would just be an Eldar. It's not really something worth pointing out for a being such as Trazyn, so I think the idea was that it should be something quite 'out there'. I mean, it is mentioned along with other unique items, like Sebastian Thors head! The author referring to a marine would be a bit like ending the statement with "Oh, and he has a termagant in a jar."

[Lord Damocles]

There are plenty of 'worthy' Marines who he could have picked up.


Plus he has an Enslaver - and they're still floating around the galaxy - making them not spectacularly rare specimens.

[Korraz]

At first it sounds like a chaos marine to me, whom have quite baroque armour. However, having such a marine in his collection is a bit like saying he had a "Humanoid creature with fine features and pointy ears". That would just be an Eldar. It's not really something worth pointing out for a being such as Trazyn, so I think the idea was that it should be something quite 'out there'. I mean, it is mentioned along with other unique items, like Sebastian Thors head! The author referring to a marine would be a bit like ending the statement with "Oh, and he has a termagant in a jar."

Remember who the author is. The Space Marine is probably Trazyn's most awe-inspiring piece and crowns the whole collection.

[totgeboren]

Remember who the author is. The Space Marine is probably Trazyn's most awe-inspiring piece and crowns the whole collection.

True. The story probably started out as him crying himself to sleep wishing he could transfer to the body of the space marine, yet realising that even if he succeeded it would be for naught, as the marine was not of the blessed geenseed of Guilliman.

[Charistoph]

It's Sigmar, duh!

[El_Machinae]

Well, at some point an enemy of the Imperium should have some type of Primarch-level trophies.

[Drasanil]

Not exactly STC. The Mk I Thunder Armour is described as being used by the Techno-Barbarians of Terra during the Age of Strife, but AFAIK has never been described as being used anywhere else. Mk 2 was designed on Mars specifically for launch of the Great Crusade, and the rest is history. Anyway, the point is yes, power armour predates the Crusade, but (at least that we know of) only on Terra. Which means at least some Necrons were awake and visited Terra before the Crusade began, or the giant in question is Primarch-era or later.

The Knights of Caliban who found the Lion were not only noted to use power armour, but that it was one of the few STC technologies they had left.

[inq.serge]

unique items, like Sebastian Thors head!

Unique, Yeah, right. All his body-parts are actually "a dime a dozen".

There's also the point that "cynical members of the Inquisition claim that if you put together all the sacred bones of Sebastian Thor in the Imperium at present, the Ecclesiarchy would be shocked to find its most prominent saint was a double-headed, multi-limbed, triple-jointed giant..."