Help me finish my Necron Army!!

[VendableFall]

40K Army: Necrons

Hey there Warseer-ites, when the first necron wave came out I did the "oooo shiny" thing and bought some necrons! (3 boxes of warriors/scarabs, 3 annihilation barges (2 magnetised to be command barges if I choose) an overlord and a cryptech) I painted most of this stuff up and then kind of hit a motivation wall. See because I loved the idea of triarch praetorians (s5 t5 3+ jump infantry, with badass looks, YES PLEASE) and a squad of ten were to be mine! But just couldn’t justify them :-(, due to their rules and points cost! (wtf were the developers thinking really?), so this left me with a quandary, which way to go? I’m not really a fan of the uber royal court unit, or the doomsday ark, and I can see myself getting a ghost ark but I do not want to spam them. So my new shiny Necrons hit the shelf :-(.

But now as the 2nd wave has hit us (huzzah!!) my motivation has come back in full force! But I’m unsure as to which direction to go, (as my original idea for the army was a mostly footslogging army, hordes of warriors, supported by triarch praetorians, scarabs and annihilation barges) so this is where (if you have read this far) you come in! What direction should I go?

I was thinking of adding 2 spiders, a stalker and a box of wraiths. This would make my army look quite similar to the below.

Lord on barge, war scythe, mss

Stalker, heat ray

16 warriors, with electric field cryptech
16 warriors, with electric field cryptech

3 wraiths, coils, and beamer for wound allocation
Up to 10 scarab bases according to points

2 annihilation barges
2 spiders

But looking at this list I don’t think the wraith will last long in a group of three, and while I like the split of the force (mech to footslogging) I feel it’s very scattered.

Any suggestions on where I should go considering I have the following in my collection:
36 warriors
10 bases of scarabs,
3 annihilation barges (2 magnetised to be command barges if I choose)
An overlord
A cryptech
and 3 necron lords (from barge sets)

[primeth]

A decent unit to take is the Lychguard with shield/sword. take an overlord with MSS, Semp, phase, rez orb, and warscythe to accompany them. its a tough nut to crack, even with only 5. Also go for some immortals, they are amazing troop units, I run 10 w gauss, 10 w tesla(thats a personal preference), when running them AND warriors, everyone ignores the warriors and focuses on the immortals, allowing the warriors to claim objectives rather well. I would also recommend some heavy destroyers, if i look at your list above, beyond the stalker you have no long range punch. destroyers can also resurrect, where a stalker cannot(dont get me wrong, love the stalker and plan on buying 2!). i do agree that 3 wraiths will typically be dead pretty quick, go for 5 base, and for even more fun you can add in a destroyer lord!

those are my suggestions!

[VendableFall]

cool thanks for the suggestions, not a big fan of destroyers, but ill look into the lychguard!, so would you walk the squad behind the warriors to provide combat support? because that's what i thought my spiders would do, any ideas about this?

Immortals i like, but with the ammount of warriors i want i think one squad at max.

i think i might get a(some) solar pulse(s) to negate my short range somewhat in the early turns, and i thought the stalker would add move armour saturation to my 3 barges? ideas?

[primeth]

I've found spyders can be great for CC support so that is a good option in that regard, plus if you can keep them near the scarabs for a round or two, you get that many more scarabs! I usually take the lychguard right up the middle if there is no nearby threat, they can take a beating at T5 3+/4++(and the overlord at t5 2+/3++) plus the rez orb keeps em coming back if all that fails. I like solar pulse, certainly handy. I love the Stalker, definitely a good option to take. dont forget the stalker gives you twin linked for any other unit that shoots his target that phase(providing he hits) combo that with Jump infantry lascannons! (my opinion of course!) the anni barges are good, nothing wrong with them. I recommend adding something with some longer range maybe in combo with them, such as a doomsday ark.

one thing that has hurt me in the past is being pure "mid range" with guns only at the 24"ish area, an opponent with a longer range will be hurting you before you hurt him, including vehicles. take something that can punch them back, even if its only a couple shots.

[The French Guy]

Hi,
If you like the triarch praetorians figs but not the rules and price tag (what I can understand!), you could still buy them and use them as badass crypteks.

[baphomael]

Yea, praetorians make great crypteks... just leave the rib cage off their back, give em Deathmark heads, and they match the codex artwork for crypteks pretty closely. It's one way of getting the models you like the look of into the army whilst still being a bit more competitive.

I share your frustrations there. I want to like praetorians. I like the concept behind them, I like the fluff and models, but the rules just seem meh for the points cost. Id probably use some anyways... but I wouldn't expect them to be the most efficient use of a couple of hundred points. It's just that my 'theme' would centre around an overlord whose obsessed with enforcing the old laws of the Triarch regardless of the fact the Triarch essentially died out before many of the galaxies species had evolved - "ignorance is no excuse". So with that in mind, praetorians fit the theme to a T. Shame they just arnt as useful as they could be.

[purge the daemon]

it's not that praetorians are bad it's that there are lychguard c'tan stalkers to compete with so the praetorians flayed ones and deathmarks become bad choices.

[VendableFall]

I've found spyders can be great for CC support so that is a good option in that regard, plus if you can keep them near the scarabs for a round or two, you get that many more scarabs! I usually take the lychguard right up the middle if there is no nearby threat, they can take a beating at T5 3+/4++(and the overlord at t5 2+/3++) plus the rez orb keeps em coming back if all that fails.

Sounds very tempting, do u think i need lychguard and spiders as cc support? or will one do?

I like solar pulse, certainly handy. I love the Stalker, definitely a good option to take. dont forget the stalker gives you twin linked for any other unit that shoots his target that phase(providing he hits) combo that with Jump infantry lascannons! (my opinion of course!) the anni barges are good, nothing wrong with them. I recommend adding something with some longer range maybe in combo with them, such as a doomsday ark.

im getting the stalker to take down any landraiders that may come charging at me, and mainly for the twin linking!! i realise that the twin linking is the real strength of the model!

one thing that has hurt me in the past is being pure "mid range" with guns only at the 24"ish area, an opponent with a longer range will be hurting you before you hurt him, including vehicles. take something that can punch them back, even if its only a couple shots.

Yes i do see this but i hoped night fighting might mitigate this fact, as i dont like the asthetic or fluff behind destroyers and i dont really want a doomsday ark sitting in the back corner all by its lonesome vulnerable to outflank or DS, thoughts?

Hi,
If you like the triarch praetorians figs but not the rules and price tag (what I can understand!), you could still buy them and use them as badass crypteks.

Now this is a cracker of an idea, thanks mate, preatorians with deathmark heads it is!

it's not that praetorians are bad it's that there are lychguard c'tan stalkers to compete with so the praetorians flayed ones and deathmarks become bad choices.

no they are bad (IMHO), 40 points for 1 power weapon attack (and an almost useless shooting attack dont forget)? at ws 4? no thanks, if they were tolerable i would get some (as i love the fluff and look) but sadly IHMO they are not.

So getting back to my most pressing issue, a purchase of a stalker, 2 spiders and a box or wraiths? a good idea? im judging by this response that i should swap the wraiths, for a box or praetorians (cryptechs) and lychguard (sword and board)? or get 2 boxes of wraiths?

[purge the daemon]

Hey I own swooping hawks and howling banshees conscripts have a better chance of killing something!!! Like common S2 WTF!!!!

[VendableFall]

I am pritty sure both those units are S3, plus they are in an old codex (not a brand new one), they dont cost nearly as many points and with doom (i think its doom im thinking of, the reroll to wound one) banshees are actually alright!

[purge the daemon]

no the guns on hawks are s2 which is crap like really crap and banshees have problems wouding marines in combat great i have powr weapons says the banshee well i have toughness 4 sais the marine (banshee procedes to facepalm) why do we cost the same amount of points as models we can't hurt. hawks are this but about 50 times worse.while praetorians can actually be useful though are expensive the staff ones can go marine hunting even those blood angels and terminators will die to praetorians. feel lucky you weren't given such beautifal models and great fluff then told these models will ever see the table becuase they can't kill a marie a game.

[The French Guy]

Strange, always thought lasblasters were S3.. ^^
Maybe that's because they are assault 3?

[primeth]

In larger games say 2k+ I've ran both the spyders and Lychguard. It's a personal preference
The stalker to take down their armor is of course perfect. the twin linking buff it gives works for multiple things though, my preference is the heavy gauss cannon. because once their armor is down, what else do you have to shoot it at and be effective? if your in the 12-24" range what unit are you offering a benefit with the reroll? why not re-roll the scatter on a doomsday? these are all just ideas for you, of always make your army to your own personal preferences and flavor!

and just because i love them, I'll offer one more tidbit to sway you for destroyers. in 6th edition it is rumored that "Preferred Enemy" will work for shooting attacks as well as melee, and destroyers have "preferred enemy: EVERYTHING"

also I don't know what your local opponents like to run but mine are typically either heavy melee with alot of armor, or shooters. my last 2k+ army had the lychguard unit, 2 spyders, and a FW Tomb stalker for melee support, because even if I'm not playing a melee army, these units can take a pounding and if/when they get into combat, they will roll though your average shooter list.

[VendableFall]

no the guns on hawks are s2 which is crap like really crap and banshees have problems wouding marines in combat great i have powr weapons says the banshee well i have toughness 4 sais the marine (banshee procedes to facepalm) why do we cost the same amount of points as models we can't hurt. hawks are this but about 50 times worse.while praetorians can actually be useful though are expensive the staff ones can go marine hunting even those blood angels and terminators will die to praetorians. feel lucky you weren't given such beautifal models and great fluff then told these models will ever see the table becuase they can't kill a marie a game.

could we please get back on topic? like i said the eldar codex is IIRC the oldest codex out atm, of course its gunna be dated, the necron is the newest out, it has no such excuse.

okay look like this is what ill be working towards army wise, dont know the points yet, but as a theme i like it:

Lord on barge, war scythe, mss

court with a handfull str 8 cryoptechs and a pulse and a lord with warscythe resorb for the lychguard

Stalker, heat ray
5 board and sword lychguard

16 warriors, with electric field cryptech
16 warriors, with electric field cryptech

6 wraiths, coils, and beamer for wound allocation
Up to 10 scarab bases according to points

2 annihilation barges
2 spiders

i imagine the wraiths scarabs and lord on barge go threat hunting, while the rest form a battle like supporting each other (lychguard andspiders for cc, warriors for scoring annihilation barges and cryptech court for shooting power and stalker to light up something i need dead)

comments?

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In larger games say 2k+ I've ran both the spyders and Lychguard. It's a personal preference
The stalker to take down their armor is of course perfect. the twin linking buff it gives works for multiple things though, my preference is the heavy gauss cannon. because once their armor is down, what else do you have to shoot it at and be effective? if your in the 12-24" range what unit are you offering a benefit with the reroll? why not re-roll the scatter on a doomsday? these are all just ideas for you, of always make your army to your own personal preferences and flavor!

and just because i love them, I'll offer one more tidbit to sway you for destroyers. in 6th edition it is rumored that "Preferred Enemy" will work for shooting attacks as well as melee, and destroyers have "preferred enemy: EVERYTHING"

also I don't know what your local opponents like to run but mine are typically either heavy melee with alot of armor, or shooters. my last 2k+ army had the lychguard unit, 2 spyders, and a FW Tomb stalker for melee support, because even if I'm not playing a melee army, these units can take a pounding and if/when they get into combat, they will roll though your average shooter list.

i do like the idea of both, see my above army list, i do see the effictivness of destroyers and the nieche they fill but at this early stage i don't want to get them, im not completely against the idea but at this stage im after some shiney toys that i like :-)

[primeth]

with the crypteks, do you mean 2 "of the storm" with the voltaic staffs? cause you wouldnt be able to get 2 with lightning field as it is unique. if your looking for a defensive piece for your warriors you can go one destruction, gives you a 36" str 8 ap2 shot and you can take gaze of flame for defensive grenades.

[VendableFall]

yer i think i may go one destruction and one storm, and just keep the storm squad infront, what exactly do defensive grenades do? is it like assualting into cover?

[The French Guy]

IIRC, it denies your opponent +1 A for charging.

[primeth]

correct no attack bonus.