Likelihood of SM Update for 6th Edition?

[drbored]

Hey all. I considered throwing this into the rumor thread, but I figured it belonged here instead, since there aren't any real rumors, only conjecture.

So, a friend of mine is convinced beyond reproach that the vanilla Space Marines are going to be the ones that get the update for 6th edition as the first book that comes out. The reasoning is simple... it's what GW has always done. Now this friend is a staunch Imperium-lover, so it's no surprise that he'd literally scream 'heresy' at the idea of Chaos Marines or something else being updated instead.

But my question is... considering the rumors we've heard, and how inconsistent some of them seem (different rumors at different times keep changing the release schedule around), how likely could it be that GW pulls a fast one and releases 6th edition with vanilla Space Marines as the first Codex? They are indeed the poster child, and they have been getting the first update for the past few editions, but what's really the chance that they'll be the first updated, yet again?

[Scammel]

Pretty much nil. That's not based on any interpretation of GW's 'logic', but simply due to the fact that we'd have heard about it. Harry, Hastings and 'Bram are hard to fool.

[BigBarryJazz]

It being sneaked out without any of our resident rumour-mongers having heard about it by now seems very unlikely. Also, what would they update model wise at the moment? GW is all about shifting models and if people are still happy with their old stuff then they are less likely to buy the shiny new kits. I'm not saying it won't happen but I'm definitely highly skeptical.

[Tymell]

Hey all. I considered throwing this into the rumor thread, but I figured it belonged here instead, since there aren't any real rumors, only conjecture.

So, a friend of mine is convinced beyond reproach that the vanilla Space Marines are going to be the ones that get the update for 6th edition as the first book that comes out. The reasoning is simple... it's what GW has always done. Now this friend is a staunch Imperium-lover, so it's no surprise that he'd literally scream 'heresy' at the idea of Chaos Marines or something else being updated instead.

But my question is... considering the rumors we've heard, and how inconsistent some of them seem (different rumors at different times keep changing the release schedule around), how likely could it be that GW pulls a fast one and releases 6th edition with vanilla Space Marines as the first Codex? They are indeed the poster child, and they have been getting the first update for the past few editions, but what's really the chance that they'll be the first updated, yet again?

It's possible, things do come along that take even the most solid of rumourmancers by surprise. But I think it's pretty unlikely: we haven't heard anything, and there's always a first time (i.e. for Space Marines not to be the first army of a new edition).

[The Marshel]

the supposed first army of 6th has been back and forth a bit. I think initially everyone was saying eldar, then at some point it switched to chaos legions, and right now i believe people are saying Dark Angels. Vanilla marines however haven't been mentioned outside of this "what they've always done" train of thought, so it'd be very unlikely for them to be up first, especially given the book is perfectly good for friendly play and not half bad on the competitive level. Others need it sooner then C:SM.

[Gondrak]

i dont think they will get the first codex, but i am sure, they will get a 6th edition codex long before most of the other races.

[Rick_1138]

I was reading the codex last night, and it still stands up well for general gameplay, and the range is the most up to date with plastic and the like, with models for almost all characters now i believe.

I would say it will either be a loyalist marine dex (Looking at you DA) or C:sm legions or as an out there curve, Tau. However i am mostly looking forward to 6th ed so i can start playing again, never played a single game in 5th edition! due to various reasons, looking forward to getting games in again.

possibly with a nova marines force...hmm

[Cheexsta]

It's hard to predict GW's release schedules based purely off previous editions. IMHO, having either Chaos or Dark Angels come first isn't really that different to having Space Marines come first.

[Spell_of_Destruction]

I don't think it's that hard to believe that SM won't get a new vanilla codex for a while. Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Grey Knights were all major codex releases - much bigger than chapter codex releases in previous editions. With the sort of attention the other chapters are getting a vanilla dex seems less important than it used to be - it will be more Codex Ultramarines than Codex Space Marines.

The Dark Angel codex will fulfill the need for Marines in the early 6th ed period. They are a fairly Codex adherent chapter compares to BAs and SWs so I think they will do a decent job of holding the fort while GW put out the much needed Tau and Eldar codeces.

[Gingerwerewolf]

Has everyone discarded the idea that DA could be rolled back into the Vanilla Marine Codex?

If Dark Angels are in the Boxed set, may they take the place of Ultra's on the cover of Codex: Marines? Thus allowing GW to kill two Angels with one big book?

Is that so far fetched?

The other thing is that in this format it could have snuck past the Rumormongers - They just see it as Codex DA

[Bunnahabhain]

Has everyone discarded the idea that DA could be rolled back into the Vanilla Marine Codex?

I think so, despite the fact it could be done. GW love their separate marine books and separate short term marketing opportunities too much to cut/combine marine books, no matter the likely damage it does over the medium term in terms of cannibalised sales, and annoyed players of non-marines leaving...

[MajorWesJanson]

Has everyone discarded the idea that DA could be rolled back into the Vanilla Marine Codex?

Yes.

I debated the issue with JesG at Games Day US last year. I took the pro-merge side, as it could be easily done with adding a few characters and chapter tacticsto the SM book. Jes took the side of adding more flavor andmaking DA different enough that they stand on their own better. Guess whose opinion GW is more likely to side with.

Keeping DA separate and adding more flavor/models allowsfor more new kits to be sold, which is best for GW as their main focus is on the kits.

[Misfratz]

..how likely could it be that GW pulls a fast one and releases 6th edition with vanilla Space Marines as the first Codex? They are indeed the poster child, and they have been getting the first update for the past few editions, but what's really the chance that they'll be the first updated, yet again?

I don't think we can know for sure either way. What I would be quite confident of at this stage is that the first four Codices of 6th edition are likely to be:

Dark Angels
Chaos Space Marines
Space Marines
A N Other (Tau? Eldar?)

In other words the two armies in the starter set and regular space marines will all be released early on.

[MajorWesJanson]

I don't think we can know for sure either way. What I would be quite confident of at this stage is that the first four Codices of 6th edition are likely to be:

Dark Angels
Chaos Space Marines
Space Marines
A N Other (Tau? Eldar?)

In other words the two armies in the starter set and regular space marines will all be released early on.

I wouldn't be so confident.

[althathir]

I don't think we can know for sure either way. What I would be quite confident of at this stage is that the first four Codices of 6th edition are likely to be:

Dark Angels
Chaos Space Marines
Space Marines
A N Other (Tau? Eldar?)

In other words the two armies in the starter set and regular space marines will all be released early on.

I doubt it, harry has chaos close to the edition, and tau as first of 2013 which is good enough for me. Personally (this isn't a rumour), I think by the end of 2013 chaos, eldar, tau, and DA will be updated. Possibly daemons as well cause they would be both a 40k and fantasy release.

After that Nids, Orks, sisters, templars and Vanillas would line up in some order.