Daemon Prince idea....

[IntoTheChaosWastes]

Hey all.
Those who have seen my previous threads know that I have been having a dilemma about which mono-god WoC force to build. Well, I have finally made up my mind - its going to be Nurgle!

Now, (purely from a fluff point of view, nothing to do game-wise) I have had this idea floating around my head about the head honcho of my Nurgle force being a decreped, weak, frail, skeletal old man who sits on his thrown within his kingdom rotting away. But dont be fooled, he has the bound essence of a Great Unclean One inside him and when the call of duty/battle comes he morphs into a mighty Daemon Prince to lead his army to victory. Then when the day's work is done, he returns to his throne, transformed back to his original fragile and weak state, needing to recover and "recharge" from the daemonic posession.

As Ive said, I have toyed with this idea for a little while and the more I think about it, the more I like it. But (in terms of the Warhammer World) is it viable and believable?

Plus, I have been thinking about exactly how he could morph himself from the brittle old man to the towering Daemon Prince. The obvious idea is to have him transform Hulk like, but I'm not sure that would work or seem right. Do you guys have any ideas?

Final note - Im thinking of calling him Lord Ague. (Even though I'm calling him a Lord this refers to his fluff human state, in battle and game-wise he is just a Nurgle Daemon Prince.)

Cheers.

IntoTheChaosWastes

[Morkash]

I like the idea alot, so why not? Nurgle's followers usually have elements of one or more of three apperences:
- Bloated, like the new champion, the Daemon Prince and the Great Unclean One himself of course.
- Mutated. While going for all Chaos Followers, Nurgle tends to be the most caring when it gets to giving that poor human some additional "boni".
- Lastly, the frail & tattered apperence you described. Examples are the Daemonic Mount of the Lord of Nurgle, Plague Zombies (more a 40k thing, but why not), Plague Bearers (to an extent, they're also bloated) and parts of the Carnival of Chaos.

So from a fluff perspective it is perfectly fine, and I like your background story alot. It is similar to the one of Valnir the Reaper, who is basically a skeletal champion resurrected by Nurgle to reap more souls for him. Nurgle is about life in all its forms as well as clinging to life after hope has died, so the apperence often fools the beholder!

I'd say: Go for it!

[Usirian]

Another great one is the Necron Nightbringer. With some decaying wings he could be a nasty daemon prince. Maybe some chaosy greenstuff but I always wanted to do that for my army but never got around to it. Plus it would fit in nicely would the decrepit old man fluff you have, as the nighbringer is somewhat humanish.


-Usirian-

[Zentdiam]

You could even field the frail man on the throne as a giant stand in for the GUO if you wanted. A lot of people forget that Nurgle's minions can still be incredibly strong even though they seem frail and weak. There are a lot of fluff stories about frail looking Nurgle zombies with feats of strength that are pretty great. Even though it is 40k, mutated guardsmen are able to grab and pull down fully fledged space marines in one of the first 3 Horus heresy books. Although, I still definitely like your idea so far. I'm not sure how much fluff supports people being turned into great horrors and being able to go back to any semblence of pre-mutated forms, but I would easily overlook it for a good idea like yours. Most everything tends to stay corrupted once it becomes that way. What reason would you have to go back to that frail human form when you could be a GUO?

You could always have him basically become covered in living filth and carrion that forms into a GUO. That would fit in with him being able to grow in size and return back to it once he is finished. Just some thoughts, can't wait to see it finished.

[IntoTheChaosWastes]

Cheers guys for your positive feedback and comments

Funnily enough I did consider using the Nightbringer model as my Daemon Prince, but decided against that as Lord Ague has the essence of a GUO, so I wanted his Daemon form to resemble more of a GUO.

You could even field the frail man on the throne as a giant stand in for the GUO if you wanted. A lot of people forget that Nurgle's minions can still be incredibly strong even though they seem frail and weak. There are a lot of fluff stories about frail looking Nurgle zombies with feats of strength that are pretty great. Even though it is 40k, mutated guardsmen are able to grab and pull down fully fledged space marines in one of the first 3 Horus heresy books. Although, I still definitely like your idea so far. I'm not sure how much fluff supports people being turned into great horrors and being able to go back to any semblence of pre-mutated forms, but I would easily overlook it for a good idea like yours. Most everything tends to stay corrupted once it becomes that way. What reason would you have to go back to that frail human form when you could be a GUO?

You could always have him basically become covered in living filth and carrion that forms into a GUO. That would fit in with him being able to grow in size and return back to it once he is finished. Just some thoughts, can't wait to see it finished.

True, frail appearing Nurgle-ites can be incredibly strong and tough but in his human form I want Lord Ague to actually be very weak and frail, almost on the brink of death such is his state.
I still need to properly fluff him out, but as it stands the idea behind Lord Ague being able to transform to and from his Daemon Prince form and human form is simple; When he unleashes the essence of the GUO within him and turns into a Deamon Prince, he cannot sustain its raw power and strain for long periods of time - whence why Lord Ague needs to recover and rest for a prolonged period after the daemonic possession has taken place.


I do like the idea of him being covered in living filth and carrion when morphing into his Daemon form, its sure a great way to explain the growth in size.... hmmm....

IntoTheChaosWastes

[Agoz]

how do you plan on modeling this transformation? Will it just be a Deamon prince, or will it be a half-human/half-deamon hybrid? or maybe a deamon ripping itself clear of a human husk?

[Tarliyn]

If you ever wanted to include him in your army non-transformed too the frail looking liche priest with a bit of conversion work on it sounds like it could fit that as well.


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[Zentdiam]

Are you planning on using one of the current GUO models like the GW or Forgeworld ones? Or scratch building one?

[IntoTheChaosWastes]

I'm not too sure entirely how I am going to model him. I want it to be modelled as a full Daemon Prince, not a hybrid.
I think I may just end up using a Great Unclean One to represent the Daemon Prince, but I really like the Nurgle slug type looking herald from ForgeWorld (the one that comes with Mamon) but unfortunately that model is roughly the size of the standard models, and will no way pass as a Daemon Prince (plus that would need a hefty amount of conversion work to it and I have no experience using GS!!!).

I have been trying to find alternative non GW models to use as my Daemon Prince, but I havnt seen any appropriete ones as yet.

PS - funnily enough, ever since I decided that Nurgle is the god for me a few days ago, I have developed a slight infection on my ear piercing and a rash on my body lol!

IntoTheChaosWastes

[Zirkonicky]

PS - funnily enough, ever since I decided that Nurgle is the god for me a few days ago, I have developed a slight infection on my ear piercing and a rash on my body lol!

IntoTheChaosWastes

Nurgle is taking over!

Ontopic:
I like the idea! Fluff-wise I can allready picture it in my head, looking forward to see it irl.
What other models are you using in this mono-list?

[IntoTheChaosWastes]

Nurgle is taking over!

Lol indeed! I dread to think what "gift" Im going to recieve next!

Ontopic:
I like the idea! Fluff-wise I can allready picture it in my head, looking forward to see it irl.

Cheers mate. Im hoping to properly fluff him out and write it up at some stage.

What other models are you using in this mono-list?

As far as any other models, I dont have a clue. I am a WFB novice so Im not even sure which units/models are good or not good. I have the Warriors of Chaos army book so Im gonna have to work my way though it. Basically Im gonna stick to a ultra fluffy and fun list rather than a competative list. Any suggestions?

IntoTheChaosWastes

[BloodiedSword]

I actually like the idea of not having him "transform" at all.

Certainly from an offensive capability point of view, you could say that his high S and attacks represented not literal strength, but things like
- throwing jars of plagues into the melee
- spraying maggots onto his attackers which burrow into them and eat them alive from the inside
- a feverish miasma just from being near him that melts flesh

I think you can probably make an argument for defensive capabilities that don't result from being particularly strong, tough or dextrous:
- his enemies become plagued and too feeble to lift their own weapons, never mind strike him
- metal weapons swung at him corrode in his pestilence almost instantly, leaving nothing but rust in a breeze to strike him

I could go on and on, just use your imagination a bit!

[mrtn]

I too think it would be cool to have him in a non-transformed state. Just put him on a palanquin.