What is it better at killing than one armed with lascannons ?
Marine army has abundance of bolters, storm bolters, assault cannons, flamers and close combat for killing large number of little creatures !
What is it better at killing than one armed with lascannons ?
Marine army has abundance of bolters, storm bolters, assault cannons, flamers and close combat for killing large number of little creatures !
Its only 85pts...And large numbers of little creatures do not die in close combat against marines (I'm assuming vanilla here). Basically when faced with a choice of devasator squad or Predator the Predator is much cheaper. But they are used for different things. One is anti-horde/AV10 vehicles, the other is anti-monstrous creature and Transport.
I ran 2 in the lastest tounrey I took part in. Proved very good against marines in cover (where weight of fire trumps plasma) and against a Nid wall of little critters. I have however just bought 2 Auto/Las ones to try out. Also it must be said with Auto/Bolter they aren't a target priority for the enemy. Only lost them in one game (against the nids - by zoanthrope).
Ah thats awesome thanks. So say a bunch of 4+ or 3+ enemies fall out of the transport. You can't get through their armour with a heavy bolter. What do you do then ? What if marines fall out of the transport? You won't be able to kill them. What do you do then ?
Target them with something else :P
Just because they still get an armour save doesn't mean they won't fail it. Also the Predator would have a supporting unit nearby (in my case I had a plasma toting 5 man tactical squad and a plasma razorback) that can deal mwith marines. Basically nothing is an isolated unit. In the army I ran with 2 Dakka Predators if I'd taken out a marine transport then they'd recieve 7 krak missiles (if in the open or frag in cover) to the face. As I tend to run Typhoons (and at the time ran 4 missile devastators).
Also worth pointing out my new list that I'm giving a go on Tuesday has 2 Auto/Las Predators, 1 Dakka Predator, 2 Rifleman Dreads and a TL Lascannon/Fist/Heavy Flamer Dread. That way it has a metric smeg load of shooting before adding in my fast attack choices :P
Last edited by stereynolds; 05-05-2012 at 12:28.
I played in a tounament where a guy pulled out his unit of TH/SS Terminators. I made a point of wiping them out with bolter fire.
I want to buy a third Predator so I can have 3 with Autocannon/Hvy Bolter, and I want to run them in the same army with my 3 Landspeeders with 2 hvy bolters each. I don't care what kind of save you have, that will hurt alot for fairly cheap.
Note: my Landspeeders with the 2 Hvy Bolters, have always preformed well just by sheer volume of Strength 5 shots.
My Tactical Squads can pack the Anti-tank weapons.
Depending on your list, sometimes you need anti-tank, sometimes you need anti-infantry. A good list balances these two needs (amongst other things).
The Lascannon Predator is very expensive and isn't really point efficient anti-tank. You're generally better off with Razorbacks and/or throwing a meltagun on a unit.
As pointed ou, mass fire deals with 2 targets: Very tough units where you need them to fail saves and horde units where it's hard to inflict enough wounds with less attacks.
Archon of the Ravenous Void Kabal.
As other posters have pointed out, the Dakka Pred is incredibly cheap for an eight shot AV13 vehicle.
The problem with the AC/LC Pred is that generally sponsons aren't very good. They're much lower on the ground than a turret weapon, and thus have los blocked or cover given to sponson shots more often. You can of course move, but then you're either firing one gun or not shooting at all.
Dakka Pred doesn't mind any of this, because it's sponsons are cheap and doesn't suffer too much from cover being given to it's HB shots.
+1 to the last post-
As an IG player I would love an 85pt AV13 vehicle with BS4-
agreed think of it this way if you pop the marines transport and they are in cover they are going to use their armor save. SO if we math this out
6 s5 at BS 4 = 4 hits
s5 on t 4 = 2.666667 wounds
3+ save= 0.888888 dead in cover
2 s9 at bs 4 = 1.33333 hit
s9 on t 4 = 1.111 wound
4+ cover save=.5555 dead in cover
2 s7 at bs 4=1.333333
s7 on t4 =1.111111
3+ armor=.37 dead in cover
1 twin linked s9 at bs 4 = .89 hits
s9 on t 4= .74 wounds
4+ cover=.37 dead in cover
so in conclusion lascannons are for taking out vehicles.
Trust me i played a grey knight terminator army last week my bolters did far more damage than anything else i had.
Last edited by Captain Collius; 09-05-2012 at 16:55.
shouldnt it be closer to 0.37 for the ac to kill in cover?
your right i screwed the math let me fix it.Originally Posted by david.greyknights
I've never been a huge fan of Predators although I admit that if I ever ran Blood Angels there would probably be 6 on the board.
Could I ask what about a pred with a TL las and HB sponsons.whats your opinion of it???
Its ok, but as the two weapons have different functions for the most part, you tend to be wasting the usefulness of the other weapon whatever you shoot at. Autocannon and heavy bolters are a lot cheaper and have a similar function, so its not as bad(they have more shots too which reduces the effect of any misses).
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I have a plog now! Now with actual painted models
^^^ And the fact that the Las turret is horribly expensive
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. The lascannon turret is expensive, and is basically only efficient against heavy armor - but the heavy bolters are useless there. With an autocannon/heavy bolter combo you have a cheaper option and both guns work together - you specialize in putting wounds on infantry or suppressing light armor (rhinos/razorbacks, trukks, light speeders like vypers/rhinos/piranhas, anything DE etc).
If you want an anti-armor predator, consider having an autocannon with lascannon sponsors. The lascannons can punch through anything, and the autocannon works ok against most vehicles (as in, anything not AV 14).
Last edited by Shamana; 11-05-2012 at 11:41.
Exactly preds have the following roles:
AC/HB-footslogger wounds
AC/LC vehicle hunter
TLLC/HB-confused
TLLC/LC-ultimate vehicle hunter (expensive)
Nice,I also show one guy once putting in a pred with only the TLLC!!!lol
That just seems like a waste of points, I don't get why you wouldn't use sponsons?! Surely the more firepower the better rather than just leaving a heavy weapon option blank??
i mean you could but at that point you might as well get a TLLC razorback and get troop carrying capacity for the av 13
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