GW terrain policy RAGE!

[xxRavenxx]

Rules like this will kill off any Necromunda games. You need a lot of terrain to make Necromunda more appealing.

GW couldn't care less anyway. Necromunda is a discontinued game. You may as well complain that lack of bloodbowl boards leads to the same thing.

[RevEv]

Just been in store playing a massive game and there was plenty of scenery available.

In fact they are in the midst of putting together a massive 40k table.

Seems a strange policy as good terrain on table sells more terrain off the shelf!

[ChiTownPicaro]

GW couldn't care less anyway. Necromunda is a discontinued game. You may as well complain that lack of bloodbowl boards leads to the same thing.

The local store I have been playing at has a Necromunda game and hosts the FUMBBL league. They don't have this policy.

[shelfunit.]

The local store I have been playing at has a Necromunda game and hosts the FUMBBL league. They don't have this policy.

An actual GW shop, or a FLGS? If it's an actual GW - well done for having it near you and long may it continue!

[the anti santa]

The local store I have been playing at has a Necromunda game and hosts the FUMBBL league. They don't have this policy.

How does this work? FUMBBL is an online way of playing Bloodbowl so how can the store host it?

[Mastodon]

Just been in store playing a massive game and there was plenty of scenery available.

In fact they are in the midst of putting together a massive 40k table.

Seems a strange policy as good terrain on table sells more terrain off the shelf!

I think you'll find the store was told to get rid of their non gw/damaged terrain and replace it slowly, which has translated to 'GW RUINING IT AGAIN!!!!!!! NEVER GOING BACK TO THE STORE!!!!'''

If the terrain is badly damaged, it wont sell product, hence why stores refresh stuff. It could also have been done because certain players turn up and take all the terrain off the tables and put it all on one board then never put it back.

One of the GW's close to me is in the process of spending £500+ on an intro board so this is not a national thing.

[Ixe]

I think you'll find the store was told to get rid of their non gw/damaged terrain and replace it slowly, which has translated to 'GW RUINING IT AGAIN!!!!!!! NEVER GOING BACK TO THE STORE!!!!'''

Sorry bud. This is an untranslated rumor, except through the filter of my own perception, which clearly recorded the manager telling me personally that the terrain would not be replaced by the store. The only way to get it back would be for customers to buy their own, paint it up, and then donate it back to the store (or just leave it there for everyone to share). This is not rumor/exaggeration, this is eyewitness testimony. It's possible the manager was mistaken, but given that he's in charge of the store, I'm inclined to believe him.

I think it's already been established that it's not a national policy, at least not yet. I hope not ever.

By the way, no response from GW customer service in response to the inquiry I sent.

[Born Again]

A couple of stores here in Aus are currently making 4'x4' Zone Mortalis- style boards out of 40k ruins and Fantasy movement trays. I have to say, I think I infinitely prefer them to the actual Zone Mortalis! Take a look!

[deathspank]

What does it really matter, one store in the vast GW empire has taken the decision to limit scenery, so what? who really cares apart from the OP? get over it , move on, be a rebel and steal a 4th bit from another table, use a book/pencil case/pair of your pants. How many of these pointless "GW made me cry" threads does warseer need? Stores are not game clubs, they are shops, shops need you to spend money, scenery equals cover, which equals slower games, which means your on the board longer, which means it gets used by fewer people,which means some people may not get a game, which for some will mean they leave the hobby. Makes perfect sense to limit scenery and turn games around faster and get more people playing.
dont like the store policy? dont play in store.

[jack da greenskin]

What does it really matter, one store in the vast GW empire has taken the decision to limit scenery, so what? who really cares apart from the OP? get over it , move on, be a rebel and steal a 4th bit from another table, use a book/pencil case/pair of your pants. How many of these pointless "GW made me cry" threads does warseer need? Stores are not game clubs, they are shops, shops need you to spend money, scenery equals cover, which equals slower games, which means your on the board longer, which means it gets used by fewer people,which means some people may not get a game, which for some will mean they leave the hobby. Makes perfect sense to limit scenery and turn games around faster and get more people playing.
dont like the store policy? dont play in store.

I HIGHLY doubt the purpose of limiting scenery in the OP's store is to make the games quicker.

[The bearded one]

What does it really matter, one store in the vast GW empire has taken the decision to limit scenery, so what? who really cares apart from the OP? get over it , move on, be a rebel and steal a 4th bit from another table, use a book/pencil case/pair of your pants. How many of these pointless "GW made me cry" threads does warseer need? Stores are not game clubs, they are shops, shops need you to spend money, scenery equals cover, which equals slower games, which means your on the board longer, which means it gets used by fewer people,which means some people may not get a game, which for some will mean they leave the hobby. Makes perfect sense to limit scenery and turn games around faster and get more people playing.
dont like the store policy? dont play in store.

I think they should get rid of all their large tables, and replace them with pairs of those small tables you might stand around in a bar, placing a 2' x 2' realm of battle board on each and let you play your games on that. You can fit a lot more of those tables than actual 4' x 4' (or 6' x 4') tables. They're bar tables anyway, so install a bar as well and truly call the game a 'beer and pretzels' game.

[Ixe]

I HIGHLY doubt the purpose of limiting scenery in the OP's store is to make the games quicker.

Yeah, definitely not. It's for money, I was basically told as much.

I think they should get rid of all their large tables, and replace them with pairs of those small tables you might stand around in a bar, placing a 2' x 2' realm of battle board on each and let you play your games on that. You can fit a lot more of those tables than actual 4' x 4' (or 6' x 4') tables. They're bar tables anyway, so install a bar as well and truly call the game a 'beer and pretzels' game.

That would conflict with the goal of making more money by selling us bigger armies. It's true that GW likes to undercut the competitive crowd whenever they can, as evidenced by the destruction and non-replacement of perfectly good terrain at this store, but they wouldn't go so far as you suggest. I know that there are apparently some casuals wishing for a "final solution" that will ban competitive play, but it's just not gonna happen. GW enjoys it too much when people buy whole fleets of vehicles for full-mech armies, which TBH no casual player is likely to do. Everything in transports is too "generic" for them.

[Mastodon]

Or its to get the undesirable customers out of the shop. If the store had a problem with vets hanging about not doing anything because they were 'playing a game' its one way to shift them on.

[The bearded one]

That would conflict with the goal of making more money by selling us bigger armies. It's true that GW likes to undercut the competitive crowd whenever they can, as evidenced by the destruction and non-replacement of perfectly good terrain at this store, but they wouldn't go so far as you suggest. I know that there are apparently some casuals wishing for a "final solution" that will ban competitive play, but it's just not gonna happen. GW enjoys it too much when people buy whole fleets of vehicles for full-mech armies, which TBH no casual player is likely to do. Everything in transports is too "generic" for them.

just to be clear... I was totally kidding

I mean.. bar tables? xD

[Ixe]

Or its to get the undesirable customers out of the shop. If the store had a problem with vets hanging about not doing anything because they were 'playing a game' its one way to shift them on.

Vets are people who come in to play a pickup game, and can be counted on to walk out with something. They're valuable customers. It's a huge mistake to dump them as this store is apparently doing. Without the vets, the majority of people coming into the store are bewildered parents with young kids who think there might be some video games or board games in there.

just to be clear... I was totally kidding

I mean.. bar tables? xD

Well played sir. You laugh, but if you mosey over to BoLS you'll see that at least 40% of the people would swoon at the idea you proposed, at a way to make the game totally off-limits to anyone who wants to build their armies to win instead of just having the neatest looking models.

[Mastodon]

Vets are people who come in to play a pickup game, and can be counted on to walk out with something. They're valuable customers. It's a huge mistake to dump them as this store is apparently doing. Without the vets, the majority of people coming into the store are bewildered parents with young kids who think there might be some video games or board games in there.

Some can. Some come in with nothing but their army case on a weekday, then hang around for hours doing nothing because theres no-one to play, because its a weekday, spending all their time whining about price rises, over powered units, armies being broken and just generally being a waste of space. These people are usually also unemployed and when they do buy something once a year, its off ebay.

I've made my tables in my store only available if they're pre booked to stop this happening. Theres still tables free to build and paint kits, but if you're coming in with nothing to do and no-one to play, go home. I'd rather have my store empty than have certain types of customer hanging around, and Im sure at a GW thats even more important. Wouldnt want mum to think little timmy would have to play games with the smelly fat man in the corner.

[Tresidentevil]

Why the hell should Games Workshop allow the use of another companies terrain and therefore advertise it in their own shops? I'd do exactly the same.

[yabbadabba]

[QUOTE=Ixe;6242629]Vets are people who come in to play a pickup game, [?QUOTE] Um not in my experience; some do, many do not.

and can be counted on to walk out with something.

Not at all, sometimes the complete opposite.

They're valuable customers.

Agreed, al customers are valuable

It's a huge mistake to dump them as this store is apparently doing.

Depends again. Too much to look at to decide if they are being "dumped" or moved on. And there is a difference.

Without the vets, the majority of people coming into the store are bewildered parents with young kids who think there might be some video games or board games in there.

You mean the majority of GWs customer demographic and the ones that GW stores are primarily focused towards?

[Ixe]

Some can. Some come in with nothing but their army case on a weekday, then hang around for hours doing nothing because theres no-one to play, because its a weekday, spending all their time whining about price rises, over powered units, armies being broken and just generally being a waste of space. These people are usually also unemployed and when they do buy something once a year, its off ebay.

Never met one of those. If you have, my condolences. I have seen some people who just come in to paint at the store and rarely buy anything, but even then it's good for new people who walk in to see some people enjoying the hobby, rather than come into a weird game store that doesn't have any board games or video games and there's nobody in it.

I've made my tables in my store only available if they're pre booked to stop this happening. Theres still tables free to build and paint kits, but if you're coming in with nothing to do and no-one to play, go home. I'd rather have my store empty than have certain types of customer hanging around, and Im sure at a GW thats even more important. Wouldnt want mum to think little timmy would have to play games with the smelly fat man in the corner.

That's up to you. I guess anyone who's new in town and doesn't know any gamers to arrange games with beforehand will go to one of your competitors. Like me, for instance. I've moved three times, and each time I found a nice hobby store, played some pick up games, made some friends, became part of the store community, and spent a bunch of money. And I'm not fat, and I don't smell, and I dress nicely. But if that's not what you're into, then more power to you.

You mean the majority of GWs customer demographic and the ones that GW stores are primarily focused towards?

If the majority of their demographic are people who wander haplessly into the store expecting board games or video games, with kids in tow who are much too young to play much of the time, then they're in trouble. I have never seen one of those people drop a single cent in a GW store. They always feign interest in this crazy hobby after it's explained to them and then make a beeline for the exit.

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I've been seeing some rumors about 6th ed where terrain is no longer pre-set, but rather placed by the players at the beginning, and you can actually purchase certain kinds of terrain for yourself. Could the new terrain policy be part of this, i.e. could 6th edition be designed like Fantasy, for just a few major pieces of terrain in play most of the time?

[Mastodon]

I have advertised games nights for people to drop by on if they dont know anyone that run until 11pm so people can get there after work.

And the type of customer I've spoken of will be well remembered by anyone thats ever owned or worked in a gaming store.

The comments in this thread seem to come down on two sides, and it's interesting to see that those sides seem to be customer vs store owner/worker.