dark elves monster 2500

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Fantasy Army: Dark Elves

Dreadlord black dragon heavy armour sea dragon cloak enchanted shield whip of agony pendant of khaeleth black dragon egg 567

Sorceress LV2 3 null talismans ironcurse icon 185 (with eternal flame corsairs)

Sorceress LV2 obsidian loadstone warrior bane 185 (with sea serpent corsairs)

Master BSB shield berserker sword armour of darkness luckstone 157 (with eternal flame corsairs)

40 corsairs AHW FC sea serpent standard 450

40 corsairs AHW FC banner of eternal flame 435

5 shaded AHW 85

5 shades AHW 85

Hydra 175

Hydra 175

2499 I have no clue as to what lores I should use.

Tactics:
Shades snipe enemy chaff and hunt warmachines.
Corsairs get into a huge combat ASAP.
Hydras secure both flanks.
The dragon lord eats a horde on his own.

[purge the daemon]

So my list is awesome and I should run it and wont get my ass handed to me.

[vinny t]

I think you should probably drop the Master BSB and one unit of Corsairs and take some Repeater Crossbows and a Cauldren BSB. Then maybe take more Shades/units of 5 cold one knights.

Also you should probably rething your items for the Sorceresses. One could have Dispel Scroll and the other could have Seal of Ghrond and Tome of Furon

[purge the daemon]

Units of 5 cold one knights personal experience just get destroyed and aren't good deployment drops or chaff. The cauldron is a huge no go everyone uses 1 I hate it and doesn't work thematically. I already have some shades. I thought 2 combat blocks would work better than 1 supported one they also do have flank eating hydra buddies.

I think I will be going double shadow though.

[vinny t]

The units of 5 knights are mainly good when used with the cauldron.

The problem with 2 combat blocks is that only 1 can have mindrazor at a time

[purge the daemon]

Yes but I can wither their foe.

[DragonArmy]

I don't think I can offer you any help that you would take. Let me throw a few things out there though:

- Your Dread lord is Illegal. His items add up to more than 100 points.

- I would recommend grabbing arcane items on your sorceresses. Magic resistance is less than optimal: what are you concerned about? Magic resistance won't help vs miscasts.

- Without the Frenzy banner, I think the second unit of Corsairs is sub optimal, nor do I understand how it falls under the "monster" title. I tcould be replaced by another core choice. Except for losing 1/3 of the attacks on the charge and cloaks, Dark Elf Warriors are equivalent. At 3/5ths the cost, that is good bargain.

- 10 Shades is ok. I love bumping them up to 15-20 when I can. And why are you choosing to run them as two seperate units? I've done both and lately been creating one bigger unit.

As far as tactics, I run the hydras in many different ways (sometimes together and in the middle of the army, this protects them from monster killing knights on the flanks). I'm also worried that the dragon lord will not kill a horde on his own. Good luck with the dragon--I'm still learning how to use my effectively so let me know what works for you.

DragonArmy





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[purge the daemon]

I don't think I can offer you any help that you would take. Let me throw a few things out there though:

- Your Dread lord is Illegal. His items add up to more than 100 points.

- I would recommend grabbing arcane items on your sorceresses. Magic resistance is less than optimal: what are you concerned about? Magic resistance won't help vs miscasts.

- Without the Frenzy banner, I think the second unit of Corsairs is sub optimal, nor do I understand how it falls under the "monster" title. I tcould be replaced by another core choice. Except for losing 1/3 of the attacks on the charge and cloaks, Dark Elf Warriors are equivalent. At 3/5ths the cost, that is good bargain.

- 10 Shades is ok. I love bumping them up to 15-20 when I can. And why are you choosing to run them as two seperate units? I've done both and lately been creating one bigger unit.

As far as tactics, I run the hydras in many different ways (sometimes together and in the middle of the army, this protects them from monster killing knights on the flanks). I'm also worried that the dragon lord will not kill a horde on his own. Good luck with the dragon--I'm still learning how to use my effectively so let me know what works for you.

DragonArmy





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His items add up to 95.
The second unit is frenziedthe master has the berseker sword and if a unit contains a single frenzied model it gains frenzy.
Do shades actually work better in units of 10 how so?
For the sorceress what items do you suggest.
I only have 35 warriors I also have 48 xbows.

[Count Zero]

His items add up to 95.

Unfortunately you still have to use the price of the Enchanted Shield from the DE book, and not the cheap version in the BRB, which takes him to 105.

[Slashattack]

Instead of your current load out for your Dragonlord try using the following combo:

Dreadlord: Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak, Soulrender, Pendant of Khaeleth, Dragonhelm, Crown of Command, Black Dragon.

You could replace the Crown of Command if you wish for the Black Dragon Egg. However, the Crown almost guarantees your Lord won't be running from combat if he loses one round.

Your Lord has a better armour save in closecombat, instead of a 1+ my build has a 2+ in closecombat. But this shifts to a 1+ against shooting. The lower armour save doesn't really matter though since he already has the Pendant of Khaeleth for high strength attacks, and a 2+ ward against Lore of Metal spells.

My Lord also has more attack power than yours due to the Soulrender which gives him strength 6 over the 5 that the Whip of Agony gives your Lord. Strength 5 is good, but strength 6 is the magic strength in fantasy because it wounds the ever common toughness 4 on a 2+. My build may strike last in close combat. However, that doesn't really matter due to his defensive prowess.

Also drop the BSB.

Slash

[meowser]

The second unit is frenziedthe master has the berseker sword and if a unit contains a single frenzied model it gains frenzy.

Wow, is this correct?? that's huge! how much is the frenzy sword??

[DragonArmy]

His items add up to 95.
The second unit is frenziedthe master has the berseker sword and if a unit contains a single frenzied model it gains frenzy.
Do shades actually work better in units of 10 how so?
For the sorceress what items do you suggest.
I only have 35 warriors I also have 48 xbows.

I count his items as, 15 for shield, 25ish for whip, 35 for pendent, 30 for dragon egg. Isn't that 105? Numbers are from head.

That is not how frenzy works: unit is subject to the need to overrun, charge, etc. otherwise there would be more witches would give frenzy to exies!

I like smaller than 10 and more than 5 shades. This allows them to actually be a combat unit--stand and shoots are scarier, better opportunity if mindrazor, more attacks when going into war machines--especially if you lose a guy or two, less chance to panic. two units of 5 shooting at different units never seemed to do much. I run them at six often, but more to you, Why 5?

Any arcane items for sorceresses--dispel, extra spell (and crossbow), sac dagger, darkstar cloak.

You could add both crossbows and warriors. Warriors seem to need magic support to be effective.


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[purge the daemon]

Shield is 5.
About frenzy it appears you may be right so time for one horde of 80 lol. How many xbows and spears would you suggest bare in mind my spears all have shieds.

[Oberst]

Corsairs are useless, It's a Fluff list I hope

[purge the daemon]

Corsairs are useless, It's a Fluff list I hope

Are you high? Corsairs are *********** badass never insult my anorexic cloaked women again. (They have pointy swords!)