Space Marine Finecast Wave

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

Despite the fact that people keep claiming they are the same moulds, they are in fact not the same moulds. They will have made a new mould for the finecast versions.

[Skaven13]

Despite the fact that people keep claiming they are the same moulds, they are in fact not the same moulds. They will have made a new mould for the finecast versions.

...fair enough, but I think what he was asking is if they are different shoulder pads, or the same ones, which are smaller than plastic ones, just recast in resin. Sure, different mold, but the same smaller shoulder pad, just in resin.

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

I never found the imperial pads to be so bad. They look a touch smaller. At least they fit on the Marines. The Chaos Marines need to be trimmed so that theirs fit. Anyway that's a bit off topic.

I can't see any ultramarine pads on this release. All I can see are the Fist pads. Am I missing something?

[Darnok]

Does anybody - one of our members with trading connections perhaps - have a list of how the prices changed? I do not want to start a pricing discussion, but it would be informative to have such a list as news.

[Skaven13]

I never found the imperial pads to be so bad. They look a touch smaller. At least they fit on the Marines. The Chaos Marines need to be trimmed so that theirs fit. Anyway that's a bit off topic.

I can't see any ultramarine pads on this release. All I can see are the Fist pads. Am I missing something?

Nah, you're not missing anything. I thought he was asking if the Crimson Fists were going to be smaller like the Ultramarines ones, and also asking if the Ultramrines ones were the same size as the white metal ones. But it looks like in his post he said Ultramarines were coming out with this wave. No, the only ones out with this wave are Crimson Fists. Ultramarines already out.

[Tancred II von Quenelles]

Why ALL direct order - what s the reason?
Hope some goes to stres when the dex gets re-released

[Sophet Drahas]

It would be good if GW made options on their online store where you could choose whether you wanted metal or finecast while they still had old stock remaining. A simple check box or something...

From a marketing standpoint this is something you don't do because it dilutes the Finecast brand. And right now for them, strengthening the brand image is more important than pleasing customers who don't want to or refuse to buy in. You have to remember the demographic they market to has shifter from older hobbyists to kids/teens. And figure they tend to get in and drop out much quicker than say a hobbyist that's been in this for 10 or 20 years. So what does a 15 year old care of his Marneus Calgar isn't going to hold up for 15 years, he'll most likely drop the game in less than 5. And if those models don't see a 2nd hand sale, all the better for GW.

Also, I'm pretty sure the resin costs for the models per pour is much less than what the metal cost is. What I haven't heard mentioned yet is the transportation costs to get Finecast to the store vs metal to the store. With the rising cost of fuel they have to be saving a lot of cash in the reduced weight.

But with all that said, is this the entire range of metal Space Marines that were converted over? I'm still hoping there are some that haven't been smelted yet.

[jamesterjlrb]

They seem to have done a rhino/razorback with the crimson fists tactical and assault bits, free power fist ftw!

[Thornea]

Ref the Ultramarines finecast shoulder pads being new versions (full normal size) or the slightly smaller but noticable ones i.e. finecast in the old moulds.




Hello
Thank you for your email. The Finecast would be similar to their metal counterparts but with crisper detail, the size should be the same as they are using the same master template to make their moulds. I hope that this is of help and if you have any problems please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Gareth
Games Workshop Customer Service

[Lars Porsenna]

What I don't understand is why they bothered to spend the money on retooling molds for things like the Space Marine casualties. That product always kinda had me scratching my head where it doesn't itch. Do people really buy those instead of modelling their own? I know GW is pretty data driven, and I can't imagine they would take on the cost of retooling the molds over something that doesn't sell well, but still, you never know.

I bought a set. Sure, you can model your own, but these look pretty good. Worth the $8 per figure? Dunno. But I bought mine for dressing up the base on a Forgeworld Eldar titan, so the time saved (compared to construction and painting of the titan) was worthwhile for me IMHO.

Damon.

[gunmnky]

Not only are the Dark Angel terminators not in fine cast (why would they fine cast 2nd ed terminators anyway) but it looks like they screwed up the store page. Dark Angel Deathwing Terminator is listed twice.

Oops.

[Gertjan]

The Iron Hands upgrade pack looks good

Not a bad price for all those bits.

...Bah, if you think so, the damn pack almost tripled in cost. It was €35 with the tactical squad included so €5 for the upgrade, now it €14,50 on the GW site without any marines in the set. I don't know, maybe it's more in line with the BT upgrade pack and all but that one at least has a boatload of parts compared to the IH one. Shame really, wanted to make some Iron Hand Allies for my apoc guard force, guess I'll just stick to non descript codex marines.

[Tymell]

Does anybody - one of our members with trading connections perhaps - have a list of how the prices changed? I do not want to start a pricing discussion, but it would be informative to have such a list as news.

I do. PM sent.

[ShinMusashi44]

...Bah, if you think so, the damn pack almost tripled in cost. It was €35 with the tactical squad included so €5 for the upgrade, now it €14,50 on the GW site without any marines in the set. I don't know, maybe it's more in line with the BT upgrade pack and all but that one at least has a boatload of parts compared to the IH one. Shame really, wanted to make some Iron Hand Allies for my apoc guard force, guess I'll just stick to non descript codex marines.

Yeah its way overpriced now, its around $55 to make a squad. That's way too much.

[burning crome]

Despite the fact that people keep claiming they are the same moulds, they are in fact not the same moulds. They will have made a new mould for the finecast versions.

the whole point of finecast was that they could use the same machines and process used in metal productions. The models them self's are very similar rubber to what you expect if you did any of your own resin casting at home, and as such wear out pretty quickly. There not metal like plastic production. There an old vid about there production line what get linked now and again on utube which is quite interesting.

[Darnok]

Thanks to Tymell I had the chance to do a comparison of old and new prices for most of the finecasted models. People interested in such things can have a look here. Please take any and all pricing discussions there!

[Tokamak]

Despite the fact that people keep claiming they are the same moulds, they are in fact not the same moulds. They will have made a new mould for the finecast versions.

Despite the fact that people keep claiming they're not the same moulds, they are in fact the same moulds. They will have kept the old mould for the finecast versions.

[Archibald_TK]

Despite the fact that people keep claiming they're not the same moulds, they are in fact the same moulds. They will have kept the old mould for the finecast versions.

If I may ask, why would you think that? Moulds are different and changed on a quite regular basis considering you can have different injection points for the same model depending on when you pick it up. In addition since day one injections points for resin didn't have the same form than the ones on the old metal models.

I don't know what the moulds for metal and resin GW use really look like but even without that knowledge the miniatures sprues themselves shall confirm they are not the same.

[rabblerouser]

Despite the fact that people keep claiming they're not the same moulds, they are in fact the same moulds. They will have kept the old mould for the finecast versions.

No they are not. I think the rubber may be softer and the finecast minis all have frames that are unnecessary with metal. I believe the spin casters are the same - the reason for all the bubbles.

[Daigar]

The sculpts are the same, the moulds are not. Finecast moulds have more injection points to help remove air bubbles(doesn't really work, eh?), however the master model is exactly the same. Therefore the details on finecast aren't really crisper - they only appear so, because finecast isn't metallic and has deeper natural shadows.