Space Marine Finecast Wave

[Tancred II von Quenelles]

Interesting what goes to shops and what stays direct
Why remake apotechary - do not get the point
Hope useless thunderfire stays direct while useful characters go to shops
sad many no named chars go finecast - I hoped they d at last make loads of plastic blisters when new edition hits so there d be no need to make all these libr and chap variants

[rabblerouser]

I have gotten about 5 finecast models with no issues and never seen any miscasts in my local group, but have not looked too much at theres. I hope my luck holds out since I will pick up a few of these at some point.

Yes, but what do you consider an issue? Some people paint their minis with a rag on a stick - they don't really care if there are bubbles in the resin as it will all get obscured by thick paint. A few bubbles are not a huge deal but what upsets me the most is that GW are charging a premium for below average quality. Moreover, the technology to remove the bubbles is widely available and they are not using it. It's almost as if they don't give a **** about their customers.

[gilljoy]

Preorders are now up along with the usual blog post.

Interestingly its just codex space marines, templars, blood and dark angels havent been finecasted

[MajorWesJanson]

Good to see that the guess about LotD blisters being merged into 4 packs was right.

Ooh, may have to grab a set of Tyrannic War vets. I have the metal ones, but attempting to shave off the UM insignia and symbols did not go as well as hoped with them. Finecast should be a breeze to do that, so I can use them as Sternguard vets in my Non-UM non Tyranid obsessed chapter.

I do regret them finecasting the Captain in Terminator armor. That needs a replacement, if not a plastic kit, than a new sculpt. Compared to the Chaplain or Librarian in Terminator armor, it is ancient looking.

[Deathwing_Adam]

The Captain in Terminator armor is definitely bad, but that Marneus Calgar model and the already finecast Ragnar Blackmane are abominations. The lack of Templars and DA's does lend some credence to the rumors that those codex's are upcoming.

[MajorWesJanson]

Marneus is sort of a circular argument in action. He got the option in the SM codex to wear power armor to not invalidate the old PA model, but then had to bring back the old PA model to cover the option in the codex for him to not take TDA.

[azhagmorglum]

It's kind of scary to think about, but Citadel Finecast is now just over one year old

Indeed, one bad year for the hobby...

[Asensur]

We are getting old fast.

Seems that Finecast is here to stay

-Empire
-Ogre Kingdoms
-Vampire Counts
-Space Wolves
-Necrons
-Tyranids
-Space Marines

With the conversion of Space Marines, it is pretty clear that there is not turning back to metal.

[Putty]

We are getting old fast.

Seems that Finecast is here to stay

-Empire
-Ogre Kingdoms
-Vampire Counts
-Space Wolves
-Necrons
-Tyranids
-Space Marines

With the conversion of Space Marines, it is pretty clear that there is not turning back to metal.

I remember years before Finecast was released, there were persistent rumors that GW will do away with metals and replace those things with plastic models...

Little we know the plastic... is not the plastic we had in mind...

[Cal585]

I find this very annoying. If only they would tell us that they are removing an item from sale BEFORE removing it, then we could buy up all their remaining stock.

I think the problem is that GW thinks it's brilliant and thinks everyone else does as well. Following this train of thought, why warn people it's going to become Finecast? They'll all stop buying the metal models and wait for it to get remade. So in their minds, they're probably selling more metal models by NOT announcing the swap.

I don't mind the occasional resin model for a hero and I hear the Thunderfire Cannon was awful to assemble before. But I do miss having several metal models (I'm guarding the ones I do have jealously :P). The added weight just made them feel more valuable. It would be good if GW made options on their online store where you could choose whether you wanted metal or finecast while they still had old stock remaining. A simple check box or something...

[Asensur]

The added weight just made them feel more valuable.

Seriously? My bigger models tell me other thing when they fall, when I glue them (again and again) or when i have to bring them to battle.

Low weight is one of the advantages of Finecast. To prefer a model for its weight is just nostalgia and nothing else.

[Ba'al Starslayer]

Preorders are now up along with the usual blog post.
Interestingly its just codex space marines, templars, blood and dark angels havent been finecasted

The Captain in Terminator armor is definitely bad, but that Marneus Calgar model and the already finecast Ragnar Blackmane are abominations. The lack of Templars and DA's does lend some credence to the rumors that those codex's are upcoming.

What? Do you mean only Space Marines have received the Finecast treatment? You mean other than the fact that Blood Angels and Templars got their Finecast stuff before this? DA have only had 2 finecast miniatures, which does lend itself to the rumoured update (where other, non-finecast models may get new scuplts). Templars, however, only have Grimaldus in metal; the rest has already been converted. As for Blood Angels, yeah they are still lacking some Finecast models, but they will surely come in due time.

[Killgore]

The Iron Hands upgrade pack looks good

Not a bad price for all those bits.

[Skaven13]

I think the problem is that GW thinks it's brilliant and thinks everyone else does as well. Following this train of thought, why warn people it's going to become Finecast? They'll all stop buying the metal models and wait for it to get remade. So in their minds, they're probably selling more metal models by NOT announcing the swap.

I am pretty sure a lot of people think it is brilliant too. This announcement has 187 FB likes on it, and those are just people who bothered to push the "like" button. I know that doesn't amount to much, but from people I talk to, they eat up the whole "FC is the best thing in the world" routine until I start telling them about all of the flaws. Like it or not, FC has had some fantastic marketing.

What I don't understand is why they bothered to spend the money on retooling molds for things like the Space Marine casualties. That product always kinda had me scratching my head where it doesn't itch. Do people really buy those instead of modelling their own? I know GW is pretty data driven, and I can't imagine they would take on the cost of retooling the molds over something that doesn't sell well, but still, you never know.

[Cal585]

Seriously? My bigger models tell me other thing when they fall, when I glue them (again and again) or when i have to bring them to battle.

Low weight is one of the advantages of Finecast. To prefer a model for its weight is just nostalgia and nothing else.

Oh, of course it's nostalgia. With big models I think making them lighter is definitely a good move (whether by plastic or resin), and lighter models make gaming easier for slopes or falls. But for infantry models, metal hasn't caused me too many problems and I enjoy the weight factor. It's easier to justify the cost of it when I'm cradling something nice and solid, than something light weight. Sure it's personal preference but so is sculpting detail and the number of parts a model comes in and all that.

I'm not anti-finecast, as I own a few pieces myself which are generally good and it's brilliant for the large models that required several pins to hold together and you never wanted to place on a slope above your other infantry. I don't buy into the hype surrounding it either way. I don't think it's the revolution GW claim (price rises and quality control make me sceptical), but I don't think it's the worst thing they've ever invented.


@ Skaven - Yeah, a lot of people do think it's brilliant. I mean, look at the positives of it; lighter models (if you're not nostalgic :P), crisp detail and resin. Resin used to be what special models were made from like FW, and is widely portrayed as a step up from metal. With GW downplaying quality control issues and people's complete trust in the company, why wouldn't most gamers think it amazing? So if we get announcement that something is being made into finecast, then every player that goes to buy a metal version of the model gets told that they should wait another week or two because a much better version will be released. Because I'd guess that if you looked at the figures that most people that by models from their local GW store aren't actually worried about finecast or already have enough models that they're not planning on spending heaps anyway.

It's all us cynical forumers who are experienced with the game and have the nerve to question the company who are iffy about finecast. But in the end we tend to suck it up anyway because we love the game.

[Thornea]

Any one know if the finecast Ultramarine shoulder pads released in this wave are just finecast versions (same mould) as the old whitemetal ones that were too small?? or a remake?

[Skaven13]

It's all us cynical forumers who are experienced with the game and have the nerve to question the company who are iffy about finecast. But in the end we tend to suck it up anyway because we love the game.

Ha ha! Well said, my friend. Yeah, I have been in the hobby for going on 20 years now. In the end, yes, a lot of things I do just suck up because I love playing this game. And as a result of that amount of time, there is a lot of nostalgia that comes into play here. I have to admit, while I see the merits of lighter models (especially the larger ones, I admit eyeing the FC Hive Tyrant when it came out when one of the guys knocked mine off a table....), there is just something about placing a large model on a table and making that "thump" sound!

For me, though, I think does come down to reading everyone's reactions on this forum. When FC first came out, I went straight to the FC thread to see how people were getting on with it. The release, to me, was a nightmare. That release is still stuck in my head, and being older and more concerned about where my money is going these days (aka "married"), I am less likely to buy a product with known flaws in it. No, I'm not a fan of having to buy a model that requires a clean up kit in order to bring its value up to the price I actually paid for it. However, I have been reading less and less complaining about miscasts, and more people coming on here saying "Hey, the last few I got haven't been that bad", so now my curiousity is rising. I am sure I am going to pick one up one of these days, particularly the Masters of the Chapter. So the casts may be getting better. My only concern at this point would be the whole warping issue.

[Skaven13]

Any one know if the finecast Ultramarine shoulder pads released in this wave are just finecast versions (same mould) as the old whitemetal ones that were too small?? or a remake?

I think that question came up when the Ultramarines shoulder pads were offered in FC. I believe the posters verified that they are the same pads, just in resin now.

[Asensur]

Any one know if the finecast Ultramarine shoulder pads released in this wave are just finecast versions (same mould) as the old whitemetal ones that were too small?? or a remake?

Any product which code starts with 9980- (blister) or 9981- (box) is finecast

Ultramarines shoulder pads come with 99800101096 code, so it's finecast.

Do not expect any metal product from GW.

[MajorWesJanson]

Any product which code starts with 9980- (blister) or 9981- (box) is finecast

Ultramarines shoulder pads come with 99800101096 code, so it's finecast.

Do not expect any metal product from GW.

The question was not about the material, but about the mold.