Orc invasions of the Chaos Wastes?

[Þidrek]

From what I've come across about the Orcs and Goblins, they seem to be big on invading everywhere but the Chaos Wastes. Is there some place in the history that I've over looked where they have chosen to take the fight north? I would have thought it would be the perfect place to find a good fight.

[m1acca1551]

The wastes are written to be an impregnable stronghold of chaos were mortal races dare not tread, so to have orcs invading may be seen as diminshing chaos's standing. I cant recall any stories or back ground in which a race has invaded the wastes.

I'd have loved for Grimgor Ironhide to have led his waaagh north into the wastes in order to find that ultimate chalkenge at the end of the storm of chaos... but alas that never happened.

Most races avoid the wastes were ever possible due to the fact most would never make it past the out areas without sufferung significant losses or going mad. I've played a few campaigns in which we could invade the chaos players territory and we had a great time of it.

[Þidrek]

so to have orcs invading may be seen as diminshing chaos's standing.

This is where I have a lot of problems with Fantasy setting now days, the diminishing of the threat of something (the lord of the rings movies supposedly cut out Tom Bombadil as his putting on the ring and it having no effect would have undercut the ring's menace [p.s. I had a hard time getting through that part in the book]). To me the Chaos wastes are a huge threat and most rational races would not try to invade these lands, yet in the past there have been attempts to invade, Malekith gained the Iron Crown in one of these attempt to conquer the chaos wastes and some dwarfs have marched into the bordering lands to search lost holds that have now been consumed by the slow creep of the Chaos wastes (atleast in the Gotrek and Felix novels there is a mention about that I think it was in Daemonslayer).

Like you said Grimgor Ironhide would be a good candidate for that but it seems SoC is being erased from the lore. I just can't believe that there hasn't been one Waaaggh! into the North just because its such a massive challenge and that in my mind doesn't reduce the threat just illustrate the insanity of the Orcs and Goblins and their craving for battle.

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

the lord of the rings movies supposedly cut out Tom Bombadil as his putting on the ring and it having no effect would have undercut the ring's menace

Really? I would have thought they cut that whole section because it isn't needed and doesn't really add much to the story, rather than any effect it might have had on the status of the ring. But anyway, I think the reason you don't hear about it is that both OnG and Chaos (and VC, etc.) are supposed to be dangers from beyond the borders of civilization. Barbarians coming to tear down the fragile civilization. Having them beat up on each other does little to further that theme. Besides, it doesn't make for a great story. There isn't really anything specific to attack in the wastes and once the Orcs are there they will eventually get wiped out.

[Urgat]

Orcs don't like to fight chaos. There's a nice short story that illustrates that in the... 6th ed chaos book I believe (the one with the goblin charging on his own). They find chaos somehow unnatural and don't have fun with them, they're actually uneasy before the battle.

[Þidrek]

Orcs don't like to fight chaos. There's a nice short story that illustrates that in the... 6th ed chaos book I believe (the one with the goblin charging on his own). They find chaos somehow unnatural and don't have fun with them, they're actually uneasy before the battle.

Interesting, guess GW didn't want the two constantly going at it so that the empire could have a break from constantly being invaded from those two.

[m1acca1551]

Malekiths invasion or incursion was at a time were the power of the elves was higher, and not divided. The dwarfen expedition to find the lost holds of the north can hardly be called an invasion. Sea Lord Aislinn of the HE punitive raids on norscan settlements during the storm of chaos again are small raids not invasions.

The chaos wastelands should remain that one bastion in which the races of the old and new world fear.

[Jerry]

They're too busy trying to crush the forces of order and the same applies to the forces of chaos.

[The bearded one]

There were some stories of Grimgor first making his way north, somewhere at the start of the chaos wastes, north of high pass, before Grimgor got bored or something and went to Middenheim. These stories were tucked in a corner of the old GW website, but I don't think they ever finished writing all of them, because the last chapter was before they reached Middenheim, when Grimgor killed all his goblin chiefs.

The stories were a fairly good read though. Grimgor positioned himself near high pass, intercepting vast armies of marauders and chaos warriors and (inadvertedly) alleviated the pressure on the empire and kislev for a while while Grimgor had a ribbin' good time slaughtering armies by the dozen and stacking totems of skulls ever higher.

[Vmartini]

Was that where he fought Crom in the run up to SoC?

I though Grimgor had gone north himself at one point, and thats how he lost (will lose, in the future we've moved back from?) his massive horde leaving him with just hid 'Ard Boyz for SoC?

[Craze_b0i]

Was that where he fought Crom in the run up to SoC?

I though Grimgor had gone north himself at one point, and thats how he lost (will lose, in the future we've moved back from?) his massive horde leaving him with just hid 'Ard Boyz for SoC?

The current fluff says Grimgor got as far north as the High Pass, then encountered Crom and had to retreat south. In SOC the story continued with him deciding to murder all the goblins under his command, leaving him just his orcs all of whom are now veteran 'Ard Boyz.

As to the main subject, I would say that closer you go to the realm of chaos the more powerful the influence of the chaos gods becomes and therefore more powerful the strength of their followers. Orcs probably skirmish with chaos warbands on the edge of the wastes but don't have the strength to push further north. On the flip side neither do the chaos marauders seem able to defeat their closest neighbour the Hobgobbla Khan.

[TheDungen]

My guess would be they go there as much as everywhere else they just dont last long, its also possible the stong winds of magic there render the spores that they grow from inert.

[Þidrek]

Well I never did say a successful Waaaggh!

[Sexiest_hero]

TBO I remember those stories! It was hinted that Grimgor's actions randomly saved the world as the every chosen was only equal to the chosen of gork and mork. GW's website were the lands of great stories that nobody remembers. Now people just call me mad......

[Lord Squidar]

to be honest, I think its because GW has done this story before, in 40k, and probably doesn't want to repeat it.

Some inquisitor person redirects a waaagh into a tyranid hive fleet. the baddies beat up on each other now, imperium saved, until one of them wins.

Same thing if there is an orc invasion of the chaos wastes. Also you either you get really big and strong orcs surviving, or super elite chaos warriors. Bad for order either way.

[thor2006]

Or they kill each other in sufficient numbers that even if some survive ,even with the boost in fighting prowess, it is not enough to damage order in the same way the bad guys would have caused if they would attack order without fighting between themselves.

[stormblade]

None of them knows how to write so they remain unrecorded.

[Spedgal]

I think it is a problem from the other end as well... Orcs may go up and look for a fight and not always find one. Orcs don't really have souls Daemons are interested in, and there isn't great glory for WoC types to find up there killing one of tenthousand warbosses that come tromping around looking for a fight. Chaos has better things to do than kill lost greenskins, even on their home turf.

[Glenn87]

I red about one of these Grimgor excurions to the wastes yesterday in an old WD.
It tells about how Grimgor gets bored with slaughtering the Skaven, and goes to the North, were a Chaos Marauder Horsemen army awaits him (in extremely large numbers).
And of course, how he slaughters them all

[Francis]

I red about one of these Grimgor excurions to the wastes yesterday in an old WD.
It tells about how Grimgor gets bored with slaughtering the Skaven, and goes to the North, were a Chaos Marauder Horsemen army awaits him (in extremely large numbers).
And of course, how he slaughters them all

Grimgor for Emperor 2525.