2k IG Valkyrie List

[primeth]

40K Army: Imperial Guard

We are doing a for fun local league. trying to get some feedback from folks who have played a similar list.

any thoughts?

4x Ministorum Priest 60ea
4x Eviserator , Shotgun

Lord Commissar-105
Carapace Armour Plasma Pistol, Power Fist

Psyker Battle Squad-110
Overseer, 9x Sanctioned

3x Veteran Squad- 155 ea.
Grenadiers , Meltagun, 2x Plasma Gun, 6x Shotgun
Veteran Sergeant w. Power Fist, Shotgun

2x Veteran Squad- 150 ea.
Grenadiers , 2x Meltagun, plasma Gun, 6x Shotgun
Veteran Sergeant w. Power Fist, Shotgun

2x Valkyrie 260
Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser

2x Valkyrie 260
Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser

2xVendetta 260

[Bunnahabhain]

I can see one big problem.

The priests only work if you charge. You squads all have plasma guns, so you can't fire them and charge. I'd jig the squads around, to be pure plasma or pure melta, and drop two priests so they're only in the melta squads. That saves you some points to get yourself...say mambo, and sponson HBs all round?

[Mr Zoat]

Is your Battle Psyker squad walking?

To be honest I'm not sold on the idea of using BS4 veterans as assault troops. Dropping them close to melta something important is a fine idea but expecting them to survive a close range exchange with anything they are likely to attack is unrealistic.

Drop the Priests, Shotguns and unmix the special weapons. Use the aircraft fast skimmers to concentrate your medium range firepower and to retreat before getting overrun.

[Darth Bobo]

We are doing a for fun local league. trying to get some feedback from folks who have played a similar list.

any thoughts?

I haven't actually played a list like yours but I have given some thought to building one myself using 5 valkyries and vendettas and two vultures using the Elysian list from IA8 so that Valkyries can be taken as dedicated transports and Vultures as Heavy Support. Depending on your local groups feeling about forgeworld lists, that could be an option.

For your list I'd likely lead it with a normal CCS with an astropath and maybe also an officer of the fleet so speed your reserves up and slow your oppositions ditto.

In keeping with the theme I'd probably go for minimal stormtrooper squads in the elites section to drop in and shoot either streaming hot melta or plasma on the largest threats to your flyers as you cannot get around squadroning the Valkyries and Vendettas unless you use the IA8 list. Marbo would also be convinient.

You should still be able to fill in 5 veteran squads and 6 valkyries and vendettas but as others have said don't mix the special weapons in the squads.

Also IMO loose the Grenadiers doctrines and powerfists, Veterans aren't that good in a fight regardless. If you want a doctrine I'd personally go for demolitions.

[primeth]

no the psykers would ride in a valk/vendetta. I like having the versatility of of mixing the special weapons but i see your points to drop the units where they will be most beneficial so i'll make that change. The grenadiers options for me is so I actually have a chance to survive bolter fire, I was thinking the fists were good so i could do some damage back if charged but I thinking on it now, they would likely die before they could hit. now one thing I wasnt sure is if i take a CCS can i use the astropath/officer while in a valk off board? if so that would be a fine option and allow me the points to take at least one storm trooper squad. I'll play with the points and slap it up in a bit.

any other thoughts?

[Mr Zoat]

Why would you want Psykers in a fast vehicle with no fire points?

[primeth]

its a theme list, everything in a valk/vendetta. the PBS is an assault str 9 large blast with possible AP1

[primeth]

Here's the updated list. going to use the CCS and one unit of vets as anti-tank, the plasma vets and storm troopers as anti unit/bigguns. PSB self explanatory. valks/vendettas mop up. oh and the priests go with the melta units in case of a need to charge.

2x Ministorum Priest-60pts
Eviserator-15pts Shotgun

Company Command Squad-215pts
Astropath , 2x Bodyguard, Carapace Armour , Heavy Flamer , 2x Meltagun , Officer of the Fleet
Company Commander -Laspistol, Power Fist

Guardsman Marbo-65pts
Psyker Battle Squad-110pts

Storm Trooper Squad (195pts)
2x Plasma Gun

Veteran Squad-145pts
Grenadiers, 3x Meltagun, 6x Shotgun
Veteran Sergeant Power Fist, Shotgun

2xVeteran Squad-145pts
Grenadiers, 6x Lasgun, 3x Plasma Gun

2xValkyrie-280
Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser, Sponson Heavy Bolters

2xValkyrie-280
Multiple Rocket Pods, Multi-laser, Sponson Heavy Bolters

2xVendetta-280
Sponson Heavy Bolters


oh and I have 20 pts left over. any thoughts?

[primeth]

Shameless bump...

any other comments?

[burning crome]

Looking at what you've got i'd say that you would be better dropping a lot of the upgrades to get more flyers. This would possible effect what you've envisioned since one of the thinks i'd suggest is taking out the cc elements you've got a lot of points tied up in stuff that not really going to help you much.

[agurus1]

I suggest gelling the Elysians list from IA 2, it's exactly what you want, and you wont need to squadron your valks

[primeth]

Looking at what you've got i'd say that you would be better dropping a lot of the upgrades to get more flyers. This would possible effect what you've envisioned since one of the thinks i'd suggest is taking out the cc elements you've got a lot of points tied up in stuff that not really going to help you much.

trying to get my hands on elysians from IA8 right now. however i dont know how increasing my overall flyers would assist me. I cant imagine fielding more, but bottom line is I only have 6 of the models anyway.

Should i forgo CC altogether? it's not much, however i dont want my opponent to get into combat with me simply because I have not a dang thing that could really hurt them. a powerfist or eviscerator here and there, well like i said, it aint much but i can at least take down a model or two before I die.

[Bunnahabhain]

Fielding 6 not in squadrons is far better than 6 in squadrons. Less vulnerable to damage, can split fire, can go in separate directions, etc, etc....

Yes, just give up on CC with any unit with less than 60 legs (i.e a blob squad or rough riders). Your squads simply aren't big enough to hurt stuff, even with expensive upgrades. All that is likely to happen is you tie the enemy up in CC for two turns, so you can't shoot them, which is exactly what they want to happen. You have ~350 pts of CC upgrades. That could be three more squads of shooty death.

[Darth Bobo]

Musing a little bit here.

If you get a hold of the Elysian list from IA8 keep in mind that while Valkyries are dedicated transports, Vendettas are still fast attack choices. As you will have no ground based heavy support and (depending ofcouse on money and time) I assume no intention of getting two Vultures any time soon your Vendettas will be your only long range anti tank, for that reason I'd try to max out their numbers without squadroning, so 3 Vendettas and 3 Valkyries w/MRP would be my suggestion.

The 6 Skimmers will be 780 points leaving 1220 for HQ, Troops and Elites.

CCS in the Elysian list can only have one Special Weapon IIRC so you can't use them as a cheap special weapons platform in the same way as you would in a normal codex guard army, but you can still bring the officer of the fleet (not the astropath though), you should spend less that 150 pts here.

For veterans I'd give them all the demolitions doctrine so that regardless of armament they will be a threat to armor. If you prefer Grenadiers doctrine on your Vets then by all means give some of them Grenadiers doctrines. All of them should have either 3 Plasma- or Meltaguns although it could be tempting to waste their nice BS4 to get 3 flamers on the ground For this I'll assume that they average around 140 pts pr. squad so thats 700 pts right there.

That leaves you with 370 points left maybe a little more or less depending on what you choose.

Those Points I'd suggest used for 3 minimum size Stormtrooper Squads with either 2 Plasmaguns and a plasma pistol or 2 Meltaguns (and maybe a plasma pistol.

So:

CCS in Valkyrie

3 5-man stormtrooper squads.

2 Veteran squads in Valkyries

3 Veteran squads

3 Vendettas in seperate FOC slots

2000 pts.

This should eliminate or at least minimize what you need to buy in order to get airborne