First go at Mounted Empire list, need advise.

[drdenner]

Fantasy Army: Empire

Been trying to make my first armylist with the new Empire. In the old edition i used to go heavy infantry, but i wanted to try something new. So could you please take this list appart and tell me what is good and what is bad, and if the list will work at all.

Its a 3000 point list, and im a little worried that the few models wont cut it.

Metagame
Bretonia
Dark Elves
Dwarfs (few shooters)

Lord
1 Wizard Lord (Life): Lvl 4,White Cloak of Ulric, Warhorse

Hero
1 Priest: Warhorse/Barding, Obsidian Lodestone, Heavy armor, Shield
(Join Knights)

1 Captain: Bsb, Warhorse/Barding, full Plate, Shrieking Blade, Enchanted Shield
(Join Knights)

1 Engineer
(Supports warmachines)

Core
28 Knights: Command, Inner Circle

10 Crossbowmen
10 Crossbowmen
(Defends warmachines)

Special
4 Demigryph: Command
4 Demigryph: Command
(Flankers)

5 Outriders: Barding, Music
5 Outriders: Barding, Music
(Fire support)

1 Cannon
1 Cannon
(Knight/Monster killers)

Rare
1 Steam tank
1 Steam tank
(Flanker)

[mike20]

i might drop the barding no the outriders as they lose their fast cav rule...also the hurricanum might get chewed apart as it cant keep up with the knights nor really defend itself. Perhaps dropping a hurricanum and helstorm and adding a second stank to shore up flanks and tie down units. Also, I would try to add a third cannon

cheers

[drdenner]

Hmm a third cannon well be hard to get in.

[BlackPawl]

With this list it is all or nothing. If your opponent can get your knights into a fight with some cheap troops (nightgoblins, slaves, marauders etc.) or one good spell (dwellers, plague) you will loose the battle. But as I see there are no O&G, WoC or Skaven in your meta.
With your main force running to the enemy and a few light troops with the warmachines behind it could be very easy to outmanover you, especially with a good mix of dark elves (charge the knights with the unkillable (and stubborn) lord).

But if you want to run this list I would prefer a warrior priest with the knights, you will need the hatred on the charge - if you can not break the enemy in one round you will get stack there. I would also drop the second mage (the power scroll get nerfed with the FAQ, so you could no longer get an automatic total power with it), give the mage lord a dispel scroll, drop both engineers and the hellblaster (not fast enough to support your mobile forces) and get more bodies.

I would switch the swordmen with crossbows OR longsword. The first can help to get some skirmisher out of the way, the second can hold the line till the last men - something 10 swordsmen never could do.
With the free points from the mage, the hellblaster and the engineers I would try to get more demigryphs (4 in each unit) and a second tank to protect both flanks.

[drdenner]

I have updated the first post:
- 10 Swordsmen
- Wizard lvl 2
- Engineer
- Helstorm
- Gold Sigil Sword on Bsb
- Celestial Hurricanum

+ Steam tank
+ 10 crossbowmen
+ 10 crossbowmen
+ Shrieking Blade on bsb
+ 1 demigryph
+ 1 demigryph

Thanks for all the help.
#4 The Dark Elves player has never taken the unkillable lord. The knights have a priest with them. I couldnt find the points for a dispel scroll.

[purge the daemon]

Hmm 2 stanks and the chariot and the demigryphs that will take a lot of fire/magic away from your knights. I like it because you have 2 stanks.

[mike20]

if you removed barding from the outriders, you would have sufficient points for pigeon bombs, which in essense gives you a str 4 stone thrower that doesnt scatter, but take charmed shield on the engineer to defend against that 1 suicide chicken.

[Moss]

Dropping the champions on the demigryphs would make points for a scroll (with some leftover). Am I the only one who thinks they're not worth their cost for an extra attack?

[Asuryan's Spear]

ten points for an extra str 4/6 is quite good seeing as we pay 11/12 for a str 3/5

[Moss]

Ahh, it's only 10 points then? Similar models' champions seem to be around 20. Suggestion withdrawn.

[drdenner]

The barding on the Outriders was to give them some defense vs repeater crossbows

[mike20]

just keep them out of reach of the repeaters, fast cav just have so many benefits, if your worried, stick them in some trees and make them hard to hit., but its your call.