What happens next...

[Craze_b0i]

The current timeline ends with the Empire getting news that a chaos warlord named Archeon is gathering a vast horde, 2522. Meanwhile Manfred has just kidnapped the high elf princess and done his evil chuckle. Plus various other stuff has recently happened as well concerning other races/factions.

If you could write what happens next over the next 10, 20, or 50 years then what would it be? *This 'future' may or may not include SOC, I leave that choice up to you.

[Jerry]

Archaeon leads his army through the old world and is set to conquer everything but a sudden turn of events cause the chaos gods to turn him into a chaos spawn. The forces of chaos dissipate and the empire and dwarves invent bolt action/automatic rifles and go on to dominate everything. Nothing can stand up to the new gunpowder advances of the alliance of the empire and dwarves and every other faction is colonized brutally. In a last attempt to quell the gunpowder alliance Teclis draws upon the winds of magic to create a vast purple sun to destroy the low initiative invaders but rolls a misfire when determining how far the purple sun travels and proceeds to roll a 6 for his I test. Teclis is sucked into the warp and everything magical goes with him. The dwarves end up dying out and all that is left is the empire of humans who then turn on each other according to skin colour and argue about the true Sigmar and blah blah blah Kony 2012.

[Arnizipal]

I think we had this discussion before...

[Craze_b0i]

I think we had this discussion before...

Thanks for the link. Some funny ideas.

I have been giving this subject some more thought myself. I will post my ideas here rather than the old thread since on I know that certain forums you can get shot for theadomancy.

Given that Archeon still exists and is preparing his invasion I guess I should start there. Barring any silly mishap like falling off his horse and cracking his skull the invasion would obviously go ahead. The Storm of Chaos happens roughly as the Loremaster describes it, with chaos advancing up until the final battle outside Middenheim. However with Archeon preparing to lay siege he gets news that Grimgor has pulled his forces together and is now getting close the city as well. Archeon has to postpone his assault to avoid his armies being caught in the rear. He leaves part of his forces to defend their base position and takes the rest to counter Grimgor's force.

Never one to avoid battle Grimgor meets him head on. As the two forces line up for battle Grimgor steps forth and challenges Archeon to fight him. The Everchosen can hardly refuse infront of his followers so accepts. It is a fearsome combat but in truth Grimgor's only hope would have been to take Archeon unawares (perhaps with a headbutt?), in an equal contest he is no match for Archeon and is brutally cut down. The orcs stare across the field at the triumphant Chaos Lord, as at the same moment hordes of Chaos Chosen advance towards them. With the death of their leader their morale is frayed and the orc army breaks. Only Grimgor's loyal immortuls make a last stand.

Archeon returns to Middenheim and unleashes his assault, but time is short and before the city can fall to him the Emperor's army arrives on the field. There are several engagements and then the main forces meet in a final battle. Valten challenges Archeon and is greviously wounded, many die getting him to safety. However Archeon cannot be everywhere at once, furthermore he is a target for all the enemy wizards and artillery - with his bodyguard knights reduced to shreds he himself is eventually taken out by a cannon ball while leading a counter-charge against some Reiksguard. Thus passes the Everchosen, slain not in one to one combat with mighty heroes but by a lowly Imperial cannon crewed by common men.

The aftermath is somewhat more messy for the victors. The recovering Valten is slain by an assasin, meanwhile the chaos forces still need be flushed out from all the positions they captured across the northern provinces. At the same time however the Empire gets some luck, a second chaos army has broken through Peak Pass but it stumbles into Slyvania. Local reports come in of bitter fighting between the chaos horde and forces of undead led by Manfred - ultimately Manfred emerges the winner but such is the effort expended that for the moment he is unable to attack the Empire. The Empire itself recaptures its northern towns but the gruelling campaign and devastation caused has left the Empire financially bankrupt and heavily indebted to their dwarf allies in terms of war-time loans. Even Brettonia is bankrupt from the expense of sending such large forces to aid its northern ally, not to mention the cost of all the champagne drunk at court following news of victory.

Meanwhile in the far east the Hung tribes take advantage of the rising tide of Chaos energy to make their own simultaneous attack upon Cathay. They are only stopped and driven back at great cost. Though they do wipe out the Hobgoblin kingdom along the way.

All this time the skaven have been watching and waiting. When Archeon seemed poised to obliterate The Empire many on the Council of 13 had contemplated they would have no choice but to send their own armies into the battle for fear that Archeon become unstoppable. They were mightily cheered, and relieved, when Archeon fell. With all the other powers having punched themselves out the skaven unleash their own plan by invading Tilea! The Tilean free companies rush home as news comes of their cities being taken one by one. The Tilean Wars drag on for some years with none of the Old World powers in a position to send aid. Meanwhile Kislev is still under partial chaos-occupation, the main cities have held out but are islands in a sea of anarchy as the chaos warbands carve out petty fiefdoms.

Eventually and with most of Tilea already lost Brettonia is able to declare an Erranty War. However by this point the skaven occupiers are well dug in (excuse the pun) and with their superior technologies and artillery they are more than a match for Brettonia in the ensuing game of sieges. The Brettonians make little headway and eventually winter sets in. Their army, decimated by disease and dysentry, is forced to make its withdrawl. Skaven for the first time own a kingdom on the surface, consequently there is a mass upsurge in Skaven piracy. Among the Council of 13 there is even talk of building a fleet to invade Ulthuan, though this ambition remains some way off in its potential fulfilment.

[Jim Bowen]

Unfortunatly the Warhammer world is stuck in a loop forever repeating a cycle of bigger and more riddiculous battles the losses of man power from these would ruin the Empire or add your own faction as you like. chaos would eventually win and th worl would be sucked into the Warp. Of course Sigmar might have been a Primarch and return with a Legion of Space marines in the utimate cross over with 40k.

[Craze_b0i]

Well as I recall the 40k link has been discussed on other threads and the last word from GW seems to be that they are seperate universes. Though of couse they may change their minds again...

Just to add I have since developed my initial ideas on the post above and written out an entire future-timeline of warhammer, which can be viewed over in the Stories and Art section.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...e-of-warhammer

[Tarliyn]

The story above was really cool. I would add a few things to it though to tie in more factions. The only thing stopping the chaos winds from ingulfing the whole world is the slann and high elfs fighting for and sttengthing the waystones. Si once again their presence is felt in the old world. I would also add some sort of note about the sudden rise in magic revives MANY more tomb kings than expected and then the land of the dead can house. They then go on to attempt to conquer both each other and lands outside of the land of the dead therefore encountering the
Rampaging armies that you have set up.

That still leaves Ogres, Wood Elfs, and Dark Elfs without a firmly established tie in. I guess the current ogre background pretty mich covers it with the idea that their armies are on the move, you could ally wood elfs with both brets and high elfs- something like, the w. elfs end their self imposed isolation and go to the aid of both the brets in thier attempts to defend their borders and the high elfs in their defense of the waystones. The current dark elf fluff also basically covers it all to- with muchnof the high elf army overseas the dark elfs make a push into the heart of the high elf lands while also increasing their slave raids so they have the man power to run the infrastucture of both their current realm and the newly established kingdoms in ulthaun.


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[Spider-pope]

Unfortunatly the Warhammer world is stuck in a loop forever repeating a cycle of bigger and more riddiculous battles the losses of man power from these would ruin the Empire or add your own faction as you like. chaos would eventually win and th worl would be sucked into the Warp. Of course Sigmar might have been a Primarch and return with a Legion of Space marines in the utimate cross over with 40k.

Unless his stasis pod crashed in his mothers womb, Sigmar is not a Primarch.

That still leaves Ogres,

To spin off from Craze_b0i's revised Storm...

...Mannfred retreats to Sylvania, and begins once more to raise an army of the undead to take advantage of the unrest left in Archaons wake. As he does so Sylvania is hit by a massed migration of several Ogre tribes, lured by the smell of blood that permeates battlefields across the Old World. In what comes to be known by the Ogre lore keepers as 'The Soup War', thousands of undead minions are smashed apart, their bones used to make stock and feed the Ogres rampaging across the province. After several bitter campaigns the Ogres are eventually forced back east, but it will be some time before Mannfred can raise his horde to sufficient strength to challenge the Empire.

[woodster17]

Unless his stasis pod crashed in his mothers womb, Sigmar is not a Primarch.



To spin off from Craze_b0i's revised Storm...

...Mannfred retreats to Sylvania, and begins once more to raise an army of the undead to take advantage of the unrest left in Archaons wake. As he does so Sylvania is hit by a massed migration of several Ogre tribes, lured by the smell of blood that permeates battlefields across the Old World. In what comes to be known by the Ogre lore keepers as 'The Soup War', thousands of undead minions are smashed apart, their bones used to make stock and feed the Ogres rampaging across the province. After several bitter campaigns the Ogres are eventually forced back east, but it will be some time before Mannfred can raise his horde to sufficient strength to challenge the Empire.

Love it.

Speaking of armies (or fluff) on a continuous loop, the Dark Elves.... attempt to take Ulthuan. Yawn! Maybe they would become a little more interesting if they dreamed up a different scheme now and again, if only to perhaps draw the High Elf attention elsewhere for once.

[Craze_b0i]

The story above was really cool. I would add a few things to it though to tie in more factions. The only thing stopping the chaos winds from ingulfing the whole world is the slann and high elfs fighting for and sttengthing the waystones. Si once again their presence is felt in the old world. I would also add some sort of note about the sudden rise in magic revives MANY more tomb kings than expected and then the land of the dead can house. They then go on to attempt to conquer both each other and lands outside of the land of the dead therefore encountering the
Rampaging armies that you have set up.

That still leaves Ogres, Wood Elfs, and Dark Elfs without a firmly established tie in. I guess the current ogre background pretty mich covers it with the idea that their armies are on the move, you could ally wood elfs with both brets and high elfs- something like, the w. elfs end their self imposed isolation and go to the aid of both the brets in thier attempts to defend their borders and the high elfs in their defense of the waystones. The current dark elf fluff also basically covers it all to- with muchnof the high elf army overseas the dark elfs make a push into the heart of the high elf lands while also increasing their slave raids so they have the man power to run the infrastucture of both their current realm and the newly established kingdoms in ulthaun.


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Well in the completed version of my 'future' account I do eventually pull in all the other factions See the link on my post above. *Though admittedly with 16+ factions in the mix some of these get more attention than others.

However I like your ideas above as well.

[Valrak]

I would love to see some inner corruption really doing Harm to the Empire. Then they get their act together and unite as one and push Chaos back.

[woodster17]

I'd love to see the Skaven do something productive for once personally. So much potential for carnage, so much ineptitude...

[Melkanador]

Well according to GW the Storm of Chaos is over.

Chaos retreated with Archaon leading them (hopefully return as the biggest spawn ever for this failure).

Vampire Counts retreated to Sylvania with possible the largest army since Nagash.

Grimgor after showing off, goes on the Waaagh (well after being punished by Gork & Mork for not killing Archaon).

The Empire is safe again, Time for some rebuilding.



Oh, I forgot GW wants us to forget the Storm of Chaos happened.

So in the end the WHF timeline will stop, like the 40k one.

Stagnation is the death of the background especially as GW changes certain things at their will (what they can of course, itīs their IP) like Orks being mushrooms or daemon armies typical in WHF.

[Craze_b0i]

Stagnation is the death of the background

Well BL are still churning out novels, plus each new armybook contains new material on various events/characters. So I would hardly call it stagnation. You don't necessarily need advancement to provide new materials. Beside the setting itself will always exist, it can never die as such (unless GW suddenly chooses to destroy the world which is not likely).

[woodster17]

The one thing that annoys me more than any other as the background stagnates is that army book's become very repetitive, regurgitating fluff and pictures. When things are changed slightly they are ill thought out and bizarre- like the VC capture of the Elven princess and the debate threads that brought up. I would actually advocate that the WH background advances real time with the us. Year upon year. That means you could write fluff in WD or hold events a couple of times a year as characters grow older and eventually move on. But i've moaned about this too much.

[Melkanador]

BL books are a nice what if background, not the "official" one.

Too often things get mixed up or donīt work out with the excisting background in rule-/armybooks.

PS
The background progression PP makes is much more attractive for me as a player.

[woodster17]

BL books are a nice what if background, not the "official" one.

Too often things get mixed up or donīt work out with the excisting background in rule-/armybooks.

PS
The background progression PP makes is much more attractive for me as a player.

There are, I've made a point of collecting every BL book every released for WFB. Bookshelf is heaving with them. It's a shame the there is little dialogue between BL and GW though.

[Craze_b0i]

Well I guess the way I see it we already have about 10,000 years of background. Having 10,000 and 1 years or 10,000 and 5 years won't make a terrible amount of difference, big events like SOC can only come round once every 100 years or whatever. That's why I don't really see how it makes the background better.

The alternative is to advance in giant leaps, but even then we know the writers can't allow any faction to be destroyed. How many times can chaos 'very nearly' destroy the world before it gets repetitive. Plus you have the pandora's box that is technology, advance much further and warhammer fantasy would quickly become warhammer steam-punk (at which point beastmen and woodelves and highelves plus other armies become an irrelevance).

[woodster17]

Well I guess the way I see it we already have about 10,000 years of background. Having 10,000 and 1 years or 10,000 and 5 years won't make a terrible amount of difference, big events like SOC can only come round once every 100 years or whatever. That's why I don't really see how it makes the background better.

The alternative is to advance in giant leaps, but even then we know the writers can't allow any faction to be destroyed. How many times can chaos 'very nearly' destroy the world before it gets repetitive. Plus you have the pandora's box that is technology, advance much further and warhammer fantasy would quickly become warhammer steam-punk (at which point beastmen and woodelves and highelves plus other armies become an irrelevance).

I'd like to see it be someone other than Chaos tbh. Chaos aren't the only bad guys. Skaven only had one main incursion (1111) with the great plague, Wars of the Vampire Counts were 500 years ago, OnG have had random Waagh's that cause huge damage then fall to pieces. The next major WH event should come from someone else to stop the Chaos invasion's become repetitive.