If a Bretonnian knight becomes disgraced, would he move to the Empire or Borderlands? Would an Empire knightly order recruit such an individual?
And vice versis Would a Bretonnian lord let an Empire knight join the ranks of a Bret army?
As both are usually noble men and are trained in fighting from horseback. Would the not be assets?
What does anyone think...
The border princes are full of stories of disgraced nobles from both the empire and bretonnia.
would they cross into each others civilisations? Depends on who they were, the two nations distrust each other immensly so if they carried secrets or information then the opposite nations would welcome them with open arms.
To join the knightly orders id have to say no, brettonians require dedication to the lady and the empire to there perspective god. Knightly orders are generally based along dieties so the religious dedication would be paramount.
Politically, I would think the Empire and Bretonnia have fairly open borders. Apart from anything else, I don't think either has the capability to stop people moving between them. Of course, getting across the mountains is a different story, but you can always go by ship.
I was under the impression that the Epire and Bretonnia were reasonably friendly allies, in any case.
I can't remember if the Reiksgard are particularly religious, so it could be possible for a Bretonnian emigre to end up there. They could also end up in the service of one of the Electors, if he can make a name for himself (or herself, if you want that kind of story, I suppose).
An Imperial noble in Bretonnia might have a harder time of it. I assume Bretonnia recognises Imperial noble titles, but he's still one man with no lands. I suppose he'd end up as a Knight Errant or a bandit.
Alternatively the disgraced Knight might seek redemption by taking up the Quest for the Grail (bit like Slayers I guess with a minimal chance of survival).
Empire Knights in Bretonnia might indeed be able to find a place among a Lord and vice versa. Still they would (especially in the beginning) be the foreigner and will probably have to prove himself.
Note that a Bretonnian fighting for the Empire is more of an exception then the rule as fluff hardly ever mentions something between them. Knights of the Grail indicates that Bretonnians see Empire Knights as weird, hardly worth their title. But they still recognise them as nobles. In the Crusade to liberate Estalia from the Arabian dictator (think Reconquista). The King granted permission to Empire Knights to travel trough Bretonnia to join the fight.
Bretonnians ARE NOT a pure Knightly army.
Half the army choices consist out of Peasants and Damsels.
'Pride cometh before a choppa in the face'
Knights panther would most likely allow brettonians into its ranks aslong as they arent in dishonour. They did participate in the crusades together so there is mutual history. I would highly reccomend the brettonia series from gordon rennie?? Black library series as this will give you a valuable insight into the mind of Brettonian lords regarding the Empire and its politics and beliefs.
There are plenty of secular orders in the Empire who would probably take Bretonnian knights regardless of their religion - so long as they met the other conditions of entry.
The Reiksguard are probably out, though, as you have to be the heir to an Imperial title in order to join. (I'm not convinced of the merits of that piece of background, but it exists all the same).
Yeh I found that a bit dubious as well. Given how many wars the Empire fights putting your son and heir into the Reiksguard seems a good way to wipe out your own bloodline.Originally Posted by Athelassan
Odder still it seems to be the fact imperial nobles train to become a knight by serving in the pistolcorps, I don't know if there was any precedent in real life but seems to me the two disciplines are somewhat different.
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Well, to be a "heir to an imperial title" doesn't have to mean you are the oldest son of an elector count, it just means you are nobility.
And they don't outright train to be knights in the pistol corps, it is just to get some experience of battle, general horsemanship and such in their teens/early 20's while they are applying to a Knightly Order. As opposed to a system where you go serve a knight from young age as a squire.
To add a different point...
If a questing knight travels the length of the old world slaying monsters to earn the right to drink from the grail. If he was in the Empire at the time of an undead or Chaos incursion, would he join the Empire ranks to defeat them? Like wise would an Empire general accept him? Or would they both be to proud or smug to ask/give assisstance?
A lone, or just a few, questing knight(s) would just be another (group of) adventurer(s), by standard fantasy fiction rules they would be accepted...
It is a whole army crossing hte border the Empire would probably have issues with...
Or annexing pieces of land as they did in the Nemesis Crown campaign.
But yeah, when facing war against bad odds I doubt any Empire general would refuse a veteran Knight who has seen the worst the world can throw at him and survive.
Assuming the Questing Knight doesn't do anything stupid like offending the man or claiming generalship over his troops.
Bretonnians ARE NOT a pure Knightly army.
Half the army choices consist out of Peasants and Damsels.
'Pride cometh before a choppa in the face'
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