2012 releases

[Brotheroracle]

So since we have scans of next month's WD, is there any mention of a big 40k release next month? (40k 6th ed)

[AkimboGogurts]

So since we have scans of next month's WD, is there any mention of a big 40k release next month? (40k 6th ed)

No one has said anything about that, so I'm assuming they're keeping a tight lid on it as usual until about 2 weeks prior to the release date.

[Brotheroracle]

Well I just find it odd there's no back page unexplained date like we usually get, like for this flyer stuff,

[Iron Puritan]

Planned advertising and leaks are not the same thing though. It feels weird that something that is supposed to be a big deal is going to be presented at the last moment.

[Sami]

Planned advertising and leaks are not the same thing though. It feels weird that something that is supposed to be a big deal is going to be presented at the last moment.

Because GW don't want people saving their money. Much rather have a continuous stream than have people stop spending for 6 months as they know a new edition is going to be released.

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

I would be shocked and disappointed if this late date was true. It dosn't make good business sense. If DA are in the starter box, the demand for DA will be at an all time high as DA players and noobies will want additional "new toys" to play with.

Prepare to be massively disappointed then. Just look at the WFB 8th edition release. Skaven got a new book a little before the new edition and High Elves are the 3rd or 4th oldest book in fantasy at the moment, with vague rumours that there might be some elves next year. So clearly GW doesn't think that releasing new books for the starter set races are a requirement. And frankly, I think they are right. Especially when dealing with marine models. Depending on how DA branded they are, and how fussy you are there are what, half a dozen different books you could use them with if you wanted. And the starter set is really aimed at new players who are unlikely to know and/or care about rumours of an updated codex.

[drbored]

Because GW don't want people saving their money. Much rather have a continuous stream than have people stop spending for 6 months as they know a new edition is going to be released.

This.

Games Workshop isn't like a Video Game company. A VG company can hype up a video game YEARS in advance, sometimes even 10 years. They can do this because the hype of that video game will not interfere with other games that they're making. People aren't going to forego the current game to 'save up' for the next game. They can enjoy both because both are going to be between 40-60 bucks USD, and they'll be spread apart appropriately so as not to saturate the market (for example, you'll seldom see two Zelda games released in the same year).

Games Workshop knows that their products cost a lot. A rulebook is 50+ dollars... a starting force might run you as little as 100 for a starter box or as much as 500 for a full horde force, just at the low point levels, and it could cost upwards of 2000 dollars to get a grand army just the way you want it at a high level of points and large number of options.

That said, not everyone has a thousand dollars to drop on a hobby every month when a new army or edition comes out. And here's the other thing... GW REPLACES product. Zelda: Twilight Princess did not replace Zelda: Ocarina of Time, they are two separate games that can still be enjoyed fully and independently. 6th edition is going to REPLACE 5th edition. You could still technically enjoy 5th edition... but when the new Codices start to drop and they're made for 6th edition, you're going to start to miss out, especially on all the shiny new kits.

Therefore, it is in Games Workshop's best interest to withhold this information for as long as possible. When Timmy goes to a GW store and wants to play a game today, the clerk is going to try and sell little Timmy a 5th edition Rulebook. Timmy's mom isn't going to be too excited about that prospect if she knows that the Rulebook is about to be replaced and that the clerk is essentially selling Timmy a bunk rulebook that's going to be going out of date real soon. However, from GW's perspective, that's one less 5th edition rulebook that's going to be sitting in inventory or thrown into a dumpster.

[Faeslayer]

Well, sorta. While they were never crazy about rumors, probably for those reasons, the word on the street is that the latest hardcore clampdown is one of the terms of their agreement with New Line Cinema/MGM.

[Sami]

I see that being true, but GW has never advertised products well in advance.

[Beppo1234]

Therefore, it is in Games Workshop's best interest to withhold this information for as long as possible. When Timmy goes to a GW store and wants to play a game today, the clerk is going to try and sell little Timmy a 5th edition Rulebook. Timmy's mom isn't going to be too excited about that prospect if she knows that the Rulebook is about to be replaced and that the clerk is essentially selling Timmy a bunk rulebook that's going to be going out of date real soon. However, from GW's perspective, that's one less 5th edition rulebook that's going to be sitting in inventory or thrown into a dumpster.

Little Timmy's mom is going to be livid after finding out that the $50 rule book she just bought has expired a month after she bought it, and has to buy another $50 rulebook for little Timmy. If I were a parent, who wasn't initiated into the hobby world, I'd say no to little Timmy's need for the new shiny book.

[azhagmorglum]

Little Timmy's mom is going to be livid after finding out that the $50 rule book she just bought has expired a month after she bought it, and has to buy another $50 rulebook for little Timmy. If I were a parent, who wasn't initiated into the hobby world, I'd say no to little Timmy's need for the new shiny book.

Don't forget the inevitable price hike, because you know, it's new...so let's say $55 now for the new book :-p

[Rick Blaine]

I'm quite certain that DA jetbikes are a result of wanton, uncontrolled wishlisting!

Yup, but it makes sense. They would be directly analogous to the Deffkoptas as far as unit types and sprue space goes, and provide an amazing lure for existing players to buy the starter.

[beanerboy]

Don't gamesworkshop normally do some sort of deal about new edition books, can't remember what it was but I'm sure I brought a 4th edition starter game, an a month later got a discount on the new rule book or something along these lines.

Beaner

[Cheexsta]

Don't gamesworkshop normally do some sort of deal about new edition books, can't remember what it was but I'm sure I brought a 4th edition starter game, an a month later got a discount on the new rule book or something along these lines.

Beaner

Not that I'm aware of. You might be thinking of Flames of War? I think they do something along those lines (my memory keeps telling me that rulebook upgrades are free?).

[Rick Blaine]

The last 3 codexes had fluff practically rewritten from the ground up. New units get pulled out of thin air all the time, most recently in tomorrow's WD. It's practically certain they will invent new units for DA when the Codex gets redone. At least jetbikes have some basis in existing fluff. But maybe I'm wrong, they might get something completely random.

[AkimboGogurts]

I'd welcome something new that wasn't a jetbike squad. DA's already get the ravenwing bike squads which are totally fine, we really dont need another ravenwing squad like that.

Anything else will do just fine. Please and thank you.

[Gingerwerewolf]

Little Timmy's mom is going to be livid after finding out that the $50 rule book she just bought has expired a month after she bought it, and has to buy another $50 rulebook for little Timmy. If I were a parent, who wasn't initiated into the hobby world, I'd say no to little Timmy's need for the new shiny book.

Here you are forgetting about Parent Guilt (TM) They work massive hours and dont see little Timmy enough. Then they leave him for 4 hours in GW because they dont want to drag hiom around the shops. Then they come back and Timmy says "Oh Look mum the NEW rulebook is out. Its the bestest thing ever and I must oh must have it or my friends wont play with me and I cant play in the store" Mummy and Daddy go Arg, £50 for pretty much unlimited childcare while shopping on a Saturday? Out comes the Credit Card faster than anything.


GW want you to buy the new rulebook, but by not telling you about it till its the last minute you dont stop buying the stuff right now. Then you, because you have to, find the cash for the new rulebook so that you can continue playing.

Don't gamesworkshop normally do some sort of deal about new edition books, can't remember what it was but I'm sure I brought a 4th edition starter game, an a month later got a discount on the new rule book or something along these lines.


Beaner

They have in the Past. When I worked there over the changover from 2nd the 3rd they did exactly that, and I was told before 4th came out that if I bought another copy of third Id get money off 4th when it came out. I doubt they'll do it now though personally.

The last 3 codexes had fluff practically rewritten from the ground up. New units get pulled out of thin air all the time, most recently in tomorrow's WD. It's practically certain they will invent new units for DA when the Codex gets redone. At least jetbikes have some basis in existing fluff. But maybe I'm wrong, they might get something completely random.

Agreed but Jetbikes are very much one of the unique things for Eldar, and if they do Bring them back for Contempory 40k (Rather than the Rumoured 30k supplement) then it Further compounds the Marines have everything problem. I do think that Jez wants to keep his children unique and so will push for Jetbikes to be Eldar only.

[ThePope]

DA jetbikes make no sense fluff wise since its already been establish that the last jetbike in the entire Impirium is used by the Master of the Ravenwing. Giving more guys a jetbike is just pants-on-head retarded. Suddenly say "Oh we found more of those". Not to say that whoever is writing the new codex wouldn't do this, but its not terribly likely, and is, like has already been said, just insane wishlisting.

Fluff evolves, look at the stormraven, came out of no where. STC's are being found all the time.

[Nostro]

Man, if they're charging $50+ for a model, it dang well better be good enough without converting. Converting can be great fun, but at that price point, it shouldn't HAVE to be converted to look decent enough to field.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I fully agree with this; I was merely pointing out that it's salvageable.

[AkimboGogurts]

Anyway, to contribute something useful to the thread, I hear from a well-placed source that Deathwing Terminators will be in the starter box. Which is awesome, except that it means that everyone and his dog will have a Deathwing force, and I wanted to be a special little flower, one of the few who had them. Oh well.

Somebody suggested the idea of an actual pastic DA Deathwing terminator kit similar to the Wolf-Guard Kit that Space Wolves have could be a possibility.

Anybody think that this could be a thing?