2012 releases

[Starchild]

When GW staffers state they turn to WarSeer to discover what is due for release, you know their policy has failed big time.

Not to mention, it completely kills the main reason many fans attended Games Day. The upcoming release seminar with the slideshow was the most exciting event for many of us.

Anyway I'm sure we'll get lots of new daemon pictures from Games Day Chicago but anyone asking about the new starter kit or Codex Chaos will be given the same terse reply repeated by all GW employees:

"You know as much as we do..."

[scourge66]

... but anyone asking about the new starter kit or Codex Chaos will be given the same terse reply repeated by all GW employees:

"You know as much as we do..."

appropriate reply 'yea...probability more, i read warseer'

[Dangersaurus]

I was a little dissapointed they didn't work in at least one flamer with the original bird skull head, other than that these are all nice but just not interesting enough for a must buy.

I'm holding out hope that the full sprue will have some optional heads on it.

[Vektorraum]

... GW has used the period of reduced LotR activity to produce new ranges far in advance. GW sits on a whole pile of army books/codexes and finished masters and has the flexibility to alter their release schedule seamlessly. The next two releases (Warriors of Chaos and Dark Angels) follow the old pattern, but the next two releases (Tau and Eldar) after these are deployed in the new fashion. The Tau Codex was pushed back because of this, but only the book. The first batch of models will be released even earlier than planned (maybe even this year) ...

(First and last post with this account)

Did he just forget about CSM, is it all fake or did our combined wishlisting push CSM into 2012 (or will there be a WoC & CSM combi release / is it just a typo)?

[KarlPedder]

I think he is simply not counting Codex: CSM because it's pretty much a done deal now and that WoC and DA are the next releases after CSM. Though personelly I can't see how DA using the Wave system will end up being any different to the supposed new system as I have a hard time believing that much like other SM releases DA will need more a than a single wave of releases.

[Cheexsta]

I think he is simply not counting Codex: CSM because it's pretty much a done deal now and that WoC and DA are the next releases after CSM. Though personelly I can't see how DA using the Wave system will end up being any different to the supposed new system as I have a hard time believing that much like other SM releases DA will need more a than a single wave of releases.

Same could have been said before Blood Angels got their revamp, or Space Wolves theirs. When Dark Angels get their love, I suspect they'll be getting lots of new stuff to make them even more different to their vanilla brethren (and thus justify their existence as a separate codex).

[Hendarion]

I suspect they'll be getting lots of new stuff to make them even more different to their vanilla brethren

Indeed. It seams like none of the big chapters cares anymore what the Codex Astartes written by Guilliman actually defines - except his sons the Ultramarines. Every other chapter is doing their own crazy stuff.

[MajorWesJanson]

Indeed. It seams like none of the big chapters cares anymore what the Codex Astartes written by Guilliman actually defines - except his sons the Ultramarines. Every other chapter is doing their own crazy stuff.

Space Wolves are non-codex.
Black Templars are non-codex.
Blood Angels are codex, but their book adds a couple of changes in- fast vehicles, special versions of jump pack vets, and death company. Overall, organization and wargear are mostly codex.
Dark Angels are codex, but have veteran biker units and mixed terminator squads. maybe more plasma weapons. Between those options and special characters, DA can easily be made more distinct than now.
Space marines are codex, with special characters to make variants.

[Hendarion]

There is no "comply to Codex, but". Either they do or they don't. Actually they don't. None of them.

[Archibald_TK]

Indeed. It seams like none of the big chapters cares anymore what the Codex Astartes written by Guilliman actually defines - except his sons the Ultramarines. Every other chapter is doing their own crazy stuff.

I was under the impression that even the Ultramarine were not following the Codex 100%. Actually isn't the way they rule over their worlds and the ties they have with the PDF an aberration by Codex standards?
I'd guess the only chapters that probably consider the Codex to not even be worth the paper it was written on would be the Space Wolves, the Black Templars and if they truly bow to the Lords of Terra the Minotaurs.

[Beppo1234]

I heard an interesting one the other day regarding the starter set. There might be one starter set in September and then a different one after non specific length of time, up to two years. So rather than there being one set for this edition, there may be two or more. Interesting but not terribly thrilling!

I'm interested in this. I always thought that GW should release 2 armies at a time. Arch enemies. One codex released before, one codex released after, a 'starter' set with a number of scenarios that allow you to play out the grudge between the two new armies. ie. Blood Angels vs. Orks, or Cadians vs. Chaos, or Ultras vs. Tyranids, GKs vs. Demons.

Every 9 months or so they could release 2 codexes and a box set that contains both faction's models in simplified form, scenarios, terrain, and objectives.

[KarlPedder]

Same could have been said before Blood Angels got their revamp, or Space Wolves theirs. When Dark Angels get their love, I suspect they'll be getting lots of new stuff to make them even more different to their vanilla brethren (and thus justify their existence as a separate codex).

Considering 4 plastic kits is becoming fairly standard for Codex "waves" and the SW got two with their codex and 2 with their second wave, Blood Angels got 3 in their 1st wave and two in their 2nd wave one of which could have been released alongside the GK Codex instead which would have brought GK up to 4 plastic kits. Yea I'm pretty comfortable that they could give DA just as many new goodies as the others have and release it all in one wave.

[MajorWesJanson]

There is no "comply to Codex, but". Either they do or they don't. Actually they don't. None of them.

The Codex is a large and extensive document covering organization, strategy, logistics, tactics, and even things like markings and ranks. very few chapters that are considered codex are going to follow every part of it to the letter. Minor variation is still considered codex complaint. In the Blood Angels case, I doubt there is a section of what to do if some of your marines suddenly develop a thirst for blood or think they are their long dead primarch.

This is best suited for background though.

[MarshalFaust]

Think of the codex as the bible and then consider how different christian sects can be. You span the gamut of handling snakes and speaking in tongues to no dancing or you go to hell. The Blood Angels are the Pentecostal snake handlers and the Ultramarines are like the baptists but they both consider themselves fully codex compliant.

back on topic:
I think multiple starter sets would be great, its much easier to get two new players started in the game with a starter set and it opens up the possibility for GW to include some unique sculpts for each army to increase the appeal to veterans. It sounds like GW have some very exciting releases planed on the horizon

[Starchild]

Yes but isn't the whole concept of multiple starter sets with different armies the result of blatant wishlisting?

The only rumour I can recall regarding more than one starter set was Harry who said there may be a limited edition starter box in addition to the regular one. Another rumour said that the factions would be split (so one for DA and one for Chaos) but iirc this was emphatically shot down.

I just don't want anyone to get their hopes up due to rampant speculation.

[Harry]

Yes but isn't the whole concept of multiple starter sets with different armies the result of blatant wishlisting?

The only rumour I can recall regarding more than one starter set was Harry who said there may be a limited edition starter box in addition to the regular one. Another rumour said that the factions would be split (so one for DA and one for Chaos) but iirc this was emphatically shot down.

I just don't want anyone to get their hopes up due to rampant speculation.

There IS a limited edition starter set. Limited run of 5,000 copies I think is what I heard.
I do not know how it differes from the standard starter set ..... but I suspect not that much?

Any notion of split starter sets or multiple starter sets for different armies is. in my opinion, total bobbins.

[superdupermatt]

Harry could you be a darling and shed some light on what makes the limited edition box different?

[Scammel]

I do not know how it differes from the standard starter set ..... but I suspect not that much?

Nicer box? Snazzy dice, tape measures and templates? Full-size BADAB? I'm guessing the actual models will be exactly the same.

[superdupermatt]

That's my guess too but personally that seems kinda underwhelming for a limited edition box of only 5k...

[Austinitor]

If indeed it is a run of 5k, I wonder if there will be any left by the time the US stores get a chance at them, or if, like Gamers Edition, many of us will not get what we've pre-ordered through independent retailers?