Space Marine Legion vs Space Marine Legion ??? Oh! I really don't like you. GRRRR.

[DietDolphin]

Some more....
Thousand Sons and Space Wolves (though Thousand Sons didn't really care until after the Propero incident, there used to be rules for this in old Space wolves codex)
Thousand Sons and Death Guard
Salamanders/Iron Hands/Raven Guard and Word Bearers/Night Lords/Iron Warriors/Alpha Legion (for stabbing them in the back at Istvaan, used to be some rules for this in IA)
Iron hands and Emperor's Children (after initial betrayal before Istvaan)
... In fact a lot of legions were sick to death of the Emperor's Childrens arrogance...
Night Lords and Dark Angels? (I've only read savage weapons when it comes to these two...)

Post Heresy
Thousand Sons and World Eaters
World Eaters and Emperors Children

There must be someone the World Eaters particularly hated before the heresy, considering all their anger. I know they always didn't really trust the Thousand Sons but had respect for the iron warriors. I guess they had enough hate to go around for everyone..

[Casper Hawser]

You know I always thought the Nightlords and Blood angels had a hatred for each other......... I can't find anything to back that up.

Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver has the Night Lords fighting with the Blood Angels and Talos has a Blood Angels power sword taken from a champion or captain.

I suppose all the Legions have reasons for hatred The Salamanders, Raven Guard and Iron Hands for the betrayal on Istvaan 5 by The Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Word Bearers and Alpha Legion.
Then Blood Angels, White Scars and Imperial Fists with all the traitor Legions at the siege of Terra.

[TheDungen]

Imperial Fists <-> Nightlords
Imperial Fists <-> Ironwarriors
Imperial Firsts -> Ultramarines
Ultramarines <- Alpha Legion
Ultramarines <- Word Bearers
Ultramarines <-> Emperor's Children
Iron Hands -> Emperor's Children
Blood Angels <(?)> World Eaters
Blood Angels -> Black Legion
Dark Angels -> Black Legion
Dark Angels <- Space wolfs
Space Wolfs -> Thousand sons

From top to bottom.

Dorn drove Curze to heresy, sucker punched him cant remember why.

Dorn drove Pertubro to heresy, they ahd slight diffrences when it came to siege warefare i think.

Imperial Fists dont like the Ultramarines for the incident were a Ultramarine cruiser opened fire on one of their cruisers after the heresy.

Guillman critizing Alpharius for not following the codex astartes drove him to heresy. (A waste of time and of the empreros holy boltershells, i think he called Aplharius tactics)

Word Bearers resent the Ultramarines cause they were the emperors favourites (Accoring to index astartes).

Something similar with Emperor's children. also Fulgrim killed Guillman

Iron hands popably dont like emperor's children cause Fulgrim killed their primarch.

I remember the Blood angels fighting the world eaters mostly during the siege of the emperors palace.

Blood angels hate the black legion cause Horus killed their primarch.

Dark angels dislike the black legion (sons of Horus) before the heresy broke out because el'Johnsson thought Horus took credit for his victories.

Space Wolfs blame the dark angels for not wanting to move to terra fast enough and so for the death of the emperor. Also the lion and Russ had a fight sometime.

and space wolfs don't like Thousand sons cause they use magic and something. they wiped their home planet out so i guess the feelings are mutual now (or well since most TS are now mindless i guess they don't mind anymore).

[Lord_Crull]

Imperial Fists dont like the Ultramarines for the incident were a Ultramarine cruiser opened fire on one of their cruisers after the heresy.

It was an Imperial Navy cruiser who opened fire, not an Ultramarines one.

Guillman critizing Alpharius for not following the codex astartes drove him to heresy. (A waste of time and of the empreros holy boltershells, i think he called Aplharius tactics)

If you read the Horus Heresy book Legion you’ll find out that Guilliman had nothing to do with Alpharius turning.

[pointyteeth]

and space wolfs don't like Thousand sons cause they use magic and something. they wiped their home planet out so i guess the feelings are mutual now (or well since most TS are now mindless i guess they don't mind anymore).

In Prospero Burns (awesome book), it is pretty much stated outright that the Wolves took no pleasure from their "raid" on Prospero. It was a task that was given to them by the All Father (Emperor) and they did it because it was what they were made to do. There was no glory in it, just a task that needed to be done. If they could wipe the murder of their brothers from their memory, they would have happily. The Thousand Sons on the other hand...I think we can safely say that they aren't quite as willing to let it go.

[TheDungen]

Cept they're all mindless now or so deep in sorcery that they dotn have time for small things like grudges.


and Lord Crull, the bit about alpharius has a quote, from Guillman to Alphaius, there's a reason that Alpharius goes after Guillman when he falls too. But sure feel free to ignore the shortcomings of your favourite character.

[Kiro]

and Lord Crull, the bit about alpharius has a quote, from Guillman to Alphaius, there's a reason that Alpharius goes after Guillman when he falls too. But sure feel free to ignore the shortcomings of your favourite character.

IIRC wasn't it something like 'well done, but you'll never win as many battles as me!'?

Regardless, Lord Crull is on the money; I'd say Legion pretty much invalidates the old Index Astartes description of their fall.

[hazmiter]

World eaters and dark angels.
Reason, eye of terror novel. Heresy fight, coupla fun things, also references fallen to a degree.

[Lord_Crull]

and Lord Crull, the bit about alpharius has a quote, from Guillman to Alphaius, there's a reason that Alpharius goes after Guillman when he falls too. .

they had some disagreements before the Heresy, but the real reason why Alpharius turned is explained in the novel Legion as having nothing to do with Guilliman.

But sure feel free to ignore the shortcomings of your favourite character.

Konrad Curze? Why would I ignore his shortcomings?

[TheDungen]

I have no idea what Legion says but the quote is correct. "a waste of time and of the empreros holy boltershells" then again the empreror isnt holy in the HH novels i i guess alot have changed.

[Kiro]

I have no idea what Legion says but the quote is correct. "a waste of time and of the empreros holy boltershells" then again the empreror isnt holy in the HH novels i i guess alot have changed.

Yep, you definitely need to read Legion then; changes the whole nature of the Alpha Legion's fall to Chaos.

[Inquisitor Aaron]

Did the alpha legion actually fall in Legion? I Don't really remember them really making any kind of pact with chaos in the book? Sure they joined the traitors but they were just trying to sway humanities fate.

[Kiro]

I guess we're speaking through hindsight. Replace 'fall to Chaos' with 'joined the traitors'; they both end up in the same place!

[Twisted Heretic]

According to the Deathwatch RPG books, the Raven Guard and White Scars have a rather deep-seated dislike for one another. IIRC the White Scars ignored a request for aid from the Raven Guard, leading to a few important types getting themselves killed.

[Sqallum]

You know I always thought the Nightlords and Blood angels had a hatred for each other......... I can't find anything to back that up.

It is because they both have the angel aspect - the NL are the corrupted angels, viewed through their emblem ; a skull with wings, and the noble BA, with the drop of blood and pure white wings. They fight in Soul Hunter as well, that is probably what you are thinking about

[stormblade]

It is because they both have the angel aspect - the NL are the corrupted angels, viewed through their emblem ; a skull with wings, and the noble BA, with the drop of blood and pure white wings. They fight in Soul Hunter as well, that is probably what you are thinking about

Odd, I would have always pitted BA and DA in such a way, granted DE are loyalist but their secracy and lies make them an opposite of the beloved and heroic BA.

[unwanted]

Odd, I would have always pitted BA and DA in such a way, granted DA are loyalist but their secracy and lies make them an opposite of the beloved and heroic BA.

...who are just as tragically flawed, and does their very best to hide their shameful shortcomings. And @Sqallum, I've never seen any depictions of the Night Lords as particularly angelic. I'd rather view their symbol as being a natural consequence of them (and 40K in general) being so very, very Metal

[Grit]

The Iron Hands don't like any 1 that was at Istavan because there Primarch got killed because they wouldn't press the attack.

On chapter level though Salamanders don't get along with Marines Malevolant

[Johnnya10]

I remember one of the old Codexes (possibly the first Chaos one - not sure) stating that The Iron Warriors and The Blood Angels really hated each other but I don't think it was ever expanded upon. Can't remember why though...

[althathir]

In Prospero Burns (awesome book), it is pretty much stated outright that the Wolves took no pleasure from their "raid" on Prospero. It was a task that was given to them by the All Father (Emperor) and they did it because it was what they were made to do. There was no glory in it, just a task that needed to be done. If they could wipe the murder of their brothers from their memory, they would have happily. The Thousand Sons on the other hand...I think we can safely say that they aren't quite as willing to let it go.

I would say that after the battle for the fang the feeling is mutual.

It is because they both have the angel aspect - the NL are the corrupted angels, viewed through their emblem ; a skull with wings, and the noble BA, with the drop of blood and pure white wings. They fight in Soul Hunter as well, that is probably what you are thinking about

I think it has more to do with their Primarches both having foresight (one was glass half full, other half empty), So I think they both see each other as even more in the wrong if that makes any sense.