1500 Orks for Noob

[Hunter_SWC]

40K Army: Orks

Hi
I have never play even collecting for years . Started NEW Ork army and NEED some tips and advices on buliding army
SO far i have end-up with something like this :

Wazdakka 180
Warboss PK,SHoota/Schorcha, HA 95
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160
10 x Slugga
Nob,PK,BP
Trukk
Red Paint Job , Boarding Plank 145
10 x Slugga
Nob,PK,BP
Trukk
Red Paint Job , Boarding Plank 145
4 x Warbikes
Nob,PK 130
5 x Nobz
2PK,3BC,Sch/Sch, WAAGH 175
Trukk
RPJ,BP 45
2 x Battlewagon
Ram,Armore,RPJ,4xShoota 260

Total : 1495

Just for fun , nothing competitive. Please help !

[pluch87]

I'd swap the boarding planks for rams, but that's just my personal preference. Gives the trukks a second rolls once they drop off their cargo and if they live. I would also try to find the points to boost the boyz in the trukks to 12 man mobs.

[Hunter_SWC]

@ pluch87 THX for help , but i have come up with something new

Please help me with this one :


HQ
Warboss
Bike,PK,SH/Sk,AS,CB 155
Warboss
PK,SH/Sk,CB,AS 115

Troops
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160


Fast Attack
4 x Warbikes
Nob,PK 130

Elites
5 x Nobz
2PK,3BC,Sch/Sch, WAAGH 175
Trukk
RPJ,BP 45

Heavy Support 360
3 x Battlewagon
DR,RPJ,BP

Total : 1460

Still can swap some things or add (40 pkt left)
Thx

[Hunter_SWC]

Hmm again me . After reading soooooo many articles , and geting more and more confusing i end up with this :

HQ
Warboss
Bike,PK,CB 135
Warboss
PK,CB,Sch/SK 100

Troops
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160


Fast Attack
4 x Warbikes
Nob,PK 135

Elites
5 x Nobz
1PK,3BC,Sch/Sk,WAAGH,BP 245
1 x PainBoy
All cybork

Trukk
RPJ,BP 45

Heavy Support 360
3 x Battlewagon
DR,RPJ,BP

All Boyz in battlewagon`s , Warboss on foot goes with Nobz in Trukk (?! - try to speed up process but truks are too fragile ) and we have 5 warbikes with Warboss , who can go alone . Something must get there . Cos i never played i just read but looking for something
flexible. Please, need help with this !

[The French Guy]

Hi,
I usually play 'horkde' but here are some tips.

First, I believe you could take your nobz as troops (thanks to the warbosses.).
Having them in a trukk is kinda unreliable ^^. You could hide it behind the battlewagons but even like that, sometimes, it's just not enough.

So, I can think of several options: you can keep them like that! you can try to field a 4th batllewagon (but it implies cutting other things). You can try to give them some bikes (running 1-2 warbosses on bike+ 5 nobz) but implies cutting warbikes.

On another point, dropping the second warboss for a big mekk and his KFF could help your list a lot, giving some nice cover save to your battlewall.
Hope it helps!

[Hunter_SWC]

@French Guy , THX men , i need some tips ! but i can see some light my biggest concern is Nobz in Trukk (and on foot) and my thought was Mek insteed Warboss , just to give them a bit more live . 4th BW is a bit to much and expensive in 1500 games :/
I love bikes and want them just to make some mess and take focus out of Boyz and Nobz , so i think i will stay with my option , Nobz on bikes are too expensive for me :/ but anyway thx

[pluch87]

I agree with the last point made. Drop the second warboss on foot with a mek with KFF. Stick him in the trukk, and keep him there when the nobz jump out. You can get the nobz to the enemy line pretty fast with an 18" flat out move turn one. That combined with the threat of 3 battlewagons and turbo-boosting bikes, that trukk has a pretty good chance of surviving!

[Akaiyou]

After carefully analyzing your posts and looking at what theme you are going for I think your list CAN be improved and become something quite formidable so here is what I feel is the strongest you can currently make:

1500 Pts - Codex: Orks Roster

HQ:
. . 1 Wazdakka Gutsmek, 180 pts
. . 1 Warboss, 100 pts (Attack Squig; Slugga; Power Klaw)

Troops:
. . 1 Nobz, 245 pts
. . . . 1 Painboy
. . . . 1 Nobz (Cybork Body; Slugga; Power Klaw)
. . . . 1 Nobz (Cybork Body; Big Choppa; Shoota/Skorcha Kombi-weapon)
. . . . 1 Nobz (Cybork Body; Slugga; Big Choppa)
. . . . 1 Nobz (Bosspole; Cybork Body; Slugga; Big Choppa)
. . . . 1 Trukk (Red Paint Job; Big Shoota)

. . 3 Warbikers, 135 pts (Choppa & Slugga)
. . . . 1 Biker Nob (Power Klaw)

. . 19 Boyz, 160 pts (Shootas)
. . . . 1 Boyz Nob (Bosspole; Slugga; Power Klaw)

. . 19 Boyz, 160 pts (Shootas)
. . . . 1 Boyz Nob (Bosspole; Slugga; Power Klaw)

. . 19 Boyz, 160 pts (Shootas)
. . . . 1 Boyz Nob (Bosspole; Slugga; Power Klaw)

Heavy Support:
. . 1 Battlewagon, 120 pts (Deff Rolla; Grot Rigger; Red Paint Job)
. . 1 Battlewagon, 120 pts (Deff Rolla; Grot Rigger; Red Paint Job)
. . 1 Battlewagon, 120 pts (Deff Rolla; Grot Rigger; Red Paint Job)

Total Roster Cost: 1500


HQ Choices - Wazdakka is a good character to take if you are bringing warbikers he makes them troops which in turn basically turns your whole army into a moving troop choice which is a really big asset. Try him out instead of your current warboss on a bike. The other thing is the warboss you dont really need anything other than an Attack Squig on him, try to save points for other parts of your army, slap him into that trukk iwth the Nobs counting as troops and you havea high damage unit to deliver where needed they complement wazdakka well in terms of speed if you want to attack in waves.

Troops - Notice the changes I made make everything in your army a troop choice! This is a LOT of power in objective missions specially fast moving troop choices they'll go a long way in getting you wins.

Vehicles - The first and main upgrade for any ork vehicle really is the red paint job other than that everythin else is more of a novelty aside from the Deff Rolla on Battlewagons which is another must have. Boarding Planks arent really need it your battlewagons arent super fast they'll take a while to get there and if u are brushign up against enemy vehicles you are more than likely going to be slapped with a melta gun faster than you'd want to. Grot Riggers keeps your vehicles moving! They are good upgrades to take in a mobile army

Future edits - You will either need to get rid of wadzdakka (he works way better when you have more warbikers) & the warbikers or The Warboss & Nobz to add a Big Mek with KFF.

Possible ways is if u are getting rid of wadzdakka and the warbikers you should have enough points for the Big Mek with KFF as well as possibly some lootas to give your army some long range back up, or Boss Snikrot with some Kommandos to harras ur opponents lines from all sides while ur army charges in.

If you instead get rid of the warboss and nobz then your army becomes more solid by adding more warbikers as troops with the Big Mek w/KFF leading your battle wagons and Wadzdakka nad his warbikers charign in at top speed to harrash the opponent you'll be raking up the kills.

Alternatiev that works in either scenario is to get 3 units of 1 deffkopta with twin rokkits and buzzsaw. They can turbo boost during hte scout move and assault enemy vehicles turn 1. This will GREATLY help your army in so many ways and keeps up with your speed/vehicle theme, while severely crippling yoru enemies by taking out big threats as early as turn 1.

[Hunter_SWC]

@Akaiyou : Big thx with ur help . Now i have a bit of an idea what to do . I will probably swap Wazzdakka for Warboss on bike ( pts wise ), swap Warboss for Big Mek wit KKF (to give some survivality to Nobz) hmmm i do like Bikes and i do like Deffkoptas , but i have Bikes models , so i would like to use them . For my transport i will use Grot Rigger ;-) if i will ever play any game (lol) and maybe will go for 2k points , then i will add Lootas ( love them ) , but have no space for them in 1,5k ( or should swap 20 Shootas for some Lootas ? ) .. And i`m not so sure for Attack Squig for WB :/ 15pts for +1A ( he has already 4 ... )

Anyway , Big cheers waiting for more coments

[Akaiyou]

That's why i suggested hte deffkoptas bro because if you take Wazdakka your bike models will be TROOPS. meaning that you CAN take deffkoptas with them since they dont use the same FOC slot.

And yes 20 shootas for lootas is def a good deal in 5th edition where vehicles are everywhere, the lootas will help greatly.

The attack squig is worth it man...another S10 power klaw attack for just 15 pts is golden for anything you want to have that warboss attack.

[Hunter_SWC]

How bout now :
HQ
Warboss
Bike,PK,AS 140
Big Mek
KFF,SCH/SK 90

Troops
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160
20 x Shoota
Nob,PK,BP 160


Fast Attack
4 x Warbikes
Nob,PK 135

Elites

10 x Lootas 150

5 x Nobz
2PK,3BC,Sch/Sk,WAAGH 265
1 x PainBoy
All cybork
Trukk
RPJ 40

Heavy Support 360
3 x Battlewagon
DR,RPJ,Grot

Total : 1500

Big Mek with Nobz in Trukk . Lootas in 3rd BW (is it better to use 20 shoota or 10 lootas ?? i`m a bit concern about this swap - even a prefer more gun power then CC , but lookin for more flexible option. Yeah , i think i can squizze this Attack Squig into list

[Balsak_da_mighty]

Do not put lootas in the BW's. If the BW gets stunned then the Lootas can't shoot either. Bad move there.

Take out one boy from the shootas so the mek can go there. You really don't want him in with the nobs as they are a hugh target anyways, and they are just in a trukk.

You might want at least a bshoota on those BW's. You get a weapon destroyed result and they are immobilized instead. Not a good thing.

Other then that looks pretty good. Not my style of Orks but seems like a pretty good list.

[Hunter_SWC]

You might want at least a bshoota on those BW's. You get a weapon destroyed result and they are immobilized instead. Not a good thing.

I don`t get this one : if i don`t have weapon on the board , how i can get weapon destroyed result ??

@Balsak : Thx dude , I won`t put Lootas into BW , so i can get rid off 3rd BW (120pts) . Can i put more bikes or Nobz ? or mybe some Koptas or Warbikes , or change WB on bike on Wazzdakka ? Hmmm 120 points , too many options Need help with this one

Thx for help

[Balsak_da_mighty]

No problem.

Well you could drop the trukk and give the Nobs the 3rd BW. That would give them some surviveability.


Pg 61 of the BRB:
3 Damaged-Weapon Destroyed
One of the vehicle's weapons (choosen be they attacker) is destroyed - ripped off by the force of the attack. If a vehicle has no weapons left, treat this result as an " immonilized' result instead.

[Hunter_SWC]

@Balsak - thx for making rule clear for me , will do , i will put some bshootas to the BW and get rid off Trukk , and keep 3rd BW with Nobz
Is 40 Boyz enough ? well it`s looks beter with : 10 lootas, 40 shootas then 60 shootas

[Balsak_da_mighty]

I think 40 boys is enough. I run 40 in my Kan wall list at 1500.

Are you worried about numbers or troops to hold objectives? The Nobs can be troops, due to the boss in there. They can hold an objective. You could take Wazzdakka and make those bikes troops. Either is a good option.