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You got picked to get searched for whatever reason in this hypothetical example and now you despite having committed no crime are going to waste more of your own time by being difficult.
I don't understand why people take that attitude.
I thought this was a thread about stories of thefts, not whining abou having your bag looked through or legal disscussions lets get OT people!
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Originally Posted by Maarten K
Alright, paranoid shopkeep can go through my bag, but I get to go through his pockets. After all, he might have something of mine in there.
Know what? The topic had been really interesting and good to follow until (4 pages ago) it started with all that "is it allowed to suspect and arrest someone or not?". I think that isn't our concern and the topic was aiming about experiences with theft of models. It would be cool if we could return to that, it really was interesting to me - more than all that "I am right" - "no, you're not" - "yes, I am" - "no, you're not" - "yes, I am" ... ~_~
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OT - I don't believe dice theft is a major issue. There are so many flying around on a table that mix ups will occur. If it really is a problem then take a dice cube/bag of a known quantity of distinctive dice or even your own custom dice (which can be expensive).
As someone who rarely plays away from home I have not experienced theft myself although a friend of mine had his whole collection stolen and, since he was a full timer at the time, this was considerable. Unfortunately he had left it in his car overnight whilst he was moving and the car was stolen - most likely for the car not the contents (why, I don't know, as the car was pretty ropey IIRC). Some of the contents did re-appear soon after in a local gaming store but he could not prove ownership and thus couldn't claim them back.. I did buy a special figure I knew he had lost as a gift for him, but he allowed me to keep it as he saw the theft as a chance to take a new direction in GW games.
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... is now sacred and inviolable and cannot have eyes laid on it by those you deem unworthy?
I've got to say, in the grand scheme of civil liberty violations, that comes pretty way down my list.
I can see shop security becoming curious about that big bagful of tinfoil, though.
I have a friend who always carries 3 things in his bag in case of a bag search: hardcore fetish porn, a Bible, and an extremist gun magazine. He really wants people to check his bag so he can see the look on their faces, but so far no one seems to have noticed.
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You allready made it entirely clear, in a numerous posts, that you have a completely different view on costumer service and/or are living on an entirely different planet.
If you think it's o.k. to hand out your adress whenever you are shopping just because you might have stolen something (as if they keep track what game came from whom), fine with me. Doesn't mean that I think this is something that should be done or even something that is smart. This also has nothing to do with someone crawling through your personal belongings in front of everyone so I am not entirely sure why you had to add this to the topic.
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Of course, there are some more clever people. Some of the things that I've seen while doing door security:
- People buy a bunch of stuff in a store. Walk out to the car, put it in the boot, come back in still with the receipt. Pack a trolley full of the same stuff again, and walk out the front door, showing the security person your receipt. Only really works in large stores (Kmart, etc). Electronics stores in particular are combating this by stamping, clipping or otherwise noting on a receipt when someone walks out of a store that the goods are already taken.
- Stuffing products into clothes, etc. Much harder for the typical employee to stop, as the store policy gives you no right to search clothes. Mall security can detain people.
- Taking in empty boxes of some sort that you've purchased from another store, or buying a suitcase in a store and filling it with goodies. Again, big stores work better, and many suitcases these days are sold with most of their pockets tied shut.
- tin foil lined bags can stop electronic detection gates.
- similarly, having an electronic tag on your bag when you walk into the store, so the staff person knows that your bag is going to set off the alarm when you walk out again and doesn't bother checking you....
In terms of miniatures being 'stolen', I've only had it happen to me by accident, and they generally show up a few months later at the same store. The most that I've had go missing forever is my bag of tools (tape, templates, dice)
I've never seen such a sign in any store around here and I am sure that a store putting up such a sign and enforcing that policy would be out of business shortly after.
EmperorNorton - you've sparked some curiosity in me - I have the perception (correct me if I'm somehow repeating a stereotype) that Germany/Germans are oft described as very society-minded people as a generalisation (and I think the same is said of Swiss, Swedish etc. This perception seems at odds with your above reply about the way shops operate and how visitors to the store would react should measures to prevent shoplifting (a blight on society) be introduced. Is it because said society-mindedness would lead to people feeling that their in-built respect for law etc is being doubted, or are the outsider perceptions I mention just not accurate?
Following from that, I wonder if the levels of GW models being stolen can be viewed through the filter of how countries/societies view these measures as a whole (since that might lead to how likely younger people are to not care about such things).
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My local EDEKA has that and I've seen it in REWEs, Reals and such as well. Either it's that or "please leave your own bags in your car". They just don't check anything in general unless somebody saw you stealing (@ctsteel: see below why) and security is usually very lax. I once accidentally stole a crate of beer; it was in my cart, they have a camera that checks carts below the counter, I forgot to explicitly tell the woman that I had the beer there and she didn't enter it. Only noticed when I was at home again and the crate didn't show up on the receipt . On the other hand, she billed me twice for my cigarettes, so it was kinda fair ^^.I've never seen such a sign in any store around here
Anyway, these policies only say "look, we could".
Yes. Actually getting searched without having done anything is pretty much an insult to your integrity as a person and a citizen. People don't buy at a place where you're being treated like a suspected criminal every time. At least not more than once.Is it because said society-mindedness would lead to people feeling that their in-built respect for law etc is being doubted
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When I went to Gamesday before we got off the bus we had the fear of God put into us by the GW staff, that if we stole anything, then our parents would have to travel to Birmingham to get us released (as most of us were minors). The idea of stealing anything had not occurred to me and I am sure the bulk of the rest of us but it must have been a problem in the past for them to go to the lengths that they did. When I got into the hall it was pretty obvious why, table after table littered with beautiful miniatures and a "shop" which at points was 4 or 5 deep. In all honesty it was a shoplifters paradise. Having spent some time in retail I have since realised what a single shoplifter is capable of in a matter of minutes.
In a similar vein we have a market in Glasgow called the Barra's, on one trip there I spotted some new figures on one of the stalls. They were high elf lord on dragon and dark elf lord on dragon both of which were full metal and I am confident are oop now as this was 15 years ago. Bought the two of them for £15 and was well chuffed after paying for them though the nice lady asked me if there was anything else I would be interested and I said yes I'd quite like the Grom figure on the chariot and she said she would have it for me the following week. Great I thought but on the way home my parents made it clear to me that there was no way I would be going back as they were obviously stealing them to order. Was disappointed but could see their point, I still wonder though whatever happened to the figure if she got it.
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