Early Eldar rumors

[eldargal]

I'm assuming the new vehicle is the flyer (or a flyer if there are more than one coming), as much as I would love for a new skimmer chassis AND flyers. No more information as to medium I'm afrraid but I would assume the Aspects and Avatar will be Finecast. No mention of plastic Wraithguard which worries me, they are needed more than plastic Aspects.

[Fable]

Supersonic and Aerial Assault currently seem to be stopgap "flier" rules. They both are designed to allow for a flier to move faster than other fast skimmers and still shoot at higher speeds. Both could be removed from the game and be replaced with a more coherent Flier vehicle type with its own rules. But for eldar, you may be right, and they could use both of those rules. Quite a few vehicle upgrades could be redesigned.

Aerial Assault in particular seems like an easy rule to throw onto a Falcon that would really mitigate a lot of the issues it has, in much the same way it makes the Ravager a solid choice for it's slot. It was a rule I wish they had patched in through a FAQ as it 1) seems a no-brainer and 2) would help stretch out the life of the dex a bit longer.

[Elios Harg]

Rather than being a "stopgap," I think Aerial Assault and Supersonic flight will be *part* of the flyer rules. I could see them becoming USRs and flyers as a unit type will gain them by default in addition to any other special rules that apply to flyers. That way, you could make Stormravens and Valkyries (or indeed even Falcons) gain these rules retro-actively merely by making an amendment in the FAQ stating "change unit type to Flyer." And the Aerial Assault and Supersonic rules would still be available to other non-flyer units to use as well.

[MajorWesJanson]

Rather than being a "stopgap," I think Aerial Assault and Supersonic flight will be *part* of the flyer rules. I could see them becoming USRs and flyers as a unit type will gain them by default in addition to any other special rules that apply to flyers. That way, you could make Stormravens and Valkyries (or indeed even Falcons) gain these rules retro-actively merely by making an amendment in the FAQ stating "change unit type to Flyer." And the Aerial Assault and Supersonic rules would still be available to other non-flyer units to use as well.

That could be as well. And they could make some of the Eldar Vehicle upgrades cover them- Star Engines give supersonic, Crystal Targeting Matrix gives Aerial Assault.

[Kaldanesh]

That could be as well. And they could make some of the Eldar Vehicle upgrades cover them- Star Engines give supersonic, Crystal Targeting Matrix gives Aerial Assault.

I have to say Wes, you and I have a lot of similar insights. I always enjoy your posts.

Our tanks with a way to give them aerial assault would go a long way to justifying their expense and make them "feel" more Eldar. I'm curious if suggestions regarding Autarch gear dictating Aspect warrior placement prove true or if there is yet some other mechanic. It's a bit early to ascertain any truth to this as no doubt rumors and interpretations of the info supplied are subject to change between now and whenever they do in fact drop.

Still it's fun to think about and discuss. Thanks SM.

[Shas'O'Stormblade]

I've been debating whether to post this or not, but I may as well. This is what I've heard is coming in terms of kits:

That is everything, no more details than that, source has been semi-reliable but I've not been able to corroborate this with any reliable rumourmongers as yet.

Didn't Harry mention that the Eldar were getting something akin to the land raider? I can't remember where he posted it, but I'm sure its somewhere. That might fit the entirely new vehicle sculpt.

[RandomThoughts]

Thank, Spidermonkey and EldarGal, but ... my birthday ain't until tomorrow!!

After those ghostly rumors vaporized a while back, I pretty much gave up all hope for new Eldar ... ever again. So really awesome to get something, finally. Codex release in the second half of 2013 actually does sound convincing, given the general timeline rumors floating around.

Does anyone know how a new codex is actually designed, which steps it goes through?
Personally, I'd expect a first phase in which the old codex is playtested extensively under the current (or in this case future) rules, followed by a conceptional phase in which battlefield roles are assigned, stuff like that. Anything?

[Dwane Diblie]

What if the Aspects as troops is related to the Avatar. That could be interesting. Again like the Autarch idea we have no idea how it would be implamented, but we have atleast 3 posable ways of doing it.

[Stickmonkey]

Eldargal,
I've hear there have been CAD sculpts seen in the past 6 months for all of the aspects AND wraithguard, just dont know if they will be finecast or get broke out to plastic kits yet.

My newest batch of rumors here is coming from playtest notes, which are notoriously unreliable this far out form codex release, but they do indicate the direction being thought.

Also a bit more on the wave serpent. Couple things have been tried on the shield, from 4+ invul on any penetrating hit, to something similar to the necron shield where the armor drops after its penetrated once. The rumors are all over the board there, but one thing is certain that mechanic is being looked at and will lkely work differently in the final codex.

As far as the phoenix lords go, they are rumored to provide a table wide buff to their aspect units while on the board. For instance Karandras is rumored to grant +1A or +1S to Scorpions.

[Hendarion]

Didn't Harry mention that the Eldar were getting something akin to the land raider? I can't remember where he posted it, but I'm sure its somewhere. That might fit the entirely new vehicle sculpt.

No, he clearly said it will not be a Land Raider-equivalent. Just ... well, he expressed himself a bit unclear and was talking about chassis-differences. However, Eldar won't get a Land Raider like thing (neither bulky size, nor armour), that's for sure.

[Chrysalis]

Thanks for the insight Stickmonkey (and Eldargal as well), it's nice to see the Eldars getting some attention. Concerning the not-land-raider thing, the chassis differences could maybe point in the direction of an assault vehicle, one that would have front doors for example... All those rumors, true or not, seem to reveal some important thinking about our army, which sounds great to me. Well, that leaves me a whole year to get all my aspects painted!

[The French Guy]

He said that rhino chassis is the common shape for SM tanks but they also have a land raider chassis.
So that eldar have the falcon chassis for most of their stuff but could also have another type of chassis in their next dex.

he didn't say that eldar will get a land raiderish tank but that having a common chassis for most of your tanks doesn't exclude the possibility of something different. At least that's how I recall his post! Sorry if I misinterpret.

[Chrysalis]

That's how it used to work in the Epic system: the falcon had an original shape, but all the other tanks were based upon another chassis (death stalker, warp hunter and night spinner) - as well as the wave serpent, which had a very different mechanic then. Still, the difference was here for design purposes, but the numbers were pretty much the same for all kinds of chassis concerning the armor stat. However, I always thought there was a blank not covered in the Eldar "tank range" between the standard chassis (falcon & co) and the super-heavy (tempest). Maybe that leads us to some kind of land raider-like category.

[RedemptionNL]

I've hear there have been CAD sculpts seen in the past 6 months for all of the aspects AND wraithguard, just dont know if they will be finecast or get broke out to plastic kits yet.

Do Finecast models even require CAD sculpts?

[Avian]

CAD isn't used for GW 'Finecast' models.

[FerociousBeast]

Well, that's good news then. All the metal/Finecast is primarily what's kept me away from Eldar all these years. Good to see more plastic!

[Sildani]

I'm sure it's much easier to sculpt in CAD if for no other reason than, if one's design brief changes, it's easier to change a digital file than saw away at a 3-up.

I dearly hope we get a new tank hull. I'm tired of the Falcon, FW showed some great originality with the Lynx that I hope gets noticed - hell, for all I know, Jes designed it.

[Hendarion]

I know it is tempting and I have to hold myself back, but please keep the wishlisting off of the thread.

[Lars Porsenna]

Well that would be good news if we get plastic Wraithguard. An Eldar "Ghost" army is probably the only build I never played and have not collected. Mainly because Wraithguard are so expensive right now, to do a decent army IMHO. I've been collecting Eldar for some 14 years, so here's to hoping that comes to pass!

Damon.

[Starchild]

That could be as well. And they could make some of the Eldar Vehicle upgrades cover them- Star Engines give supersonic, Crystal Targeting Matrix gives Aerial Assault.

I *really* like that idea!