Early Eldar rumors

[shabbadoo]

CAD isn't used for GW 'Finecast' models.

So, GW has never, ever done a sculpt in CAD, printed it, and a made a mold off of the piece for metal/Finecast production? I am pretty sure they have. Easy to do if they don't have the resources allocated for plastic production at the time, yet want to update the models. They have many options now.

[Dwane Diblie]

Examples shabbadoo?

I want to beleave that CAD = Plastic for all Aspects and Wraith, but if it can be proven otherwise...

[Avian]

So, GW has never, ever done a sculpt in CAD, printed it, and a made a mold off of the piece for metal/Finecast production?

No, I don't believe so. It is quite possible and Raging Heroes, for example, do it all the time, but it requires a different skill set and AFAIK they sculpt all their resin models the normal way.

[Hendarion]

Which actually imo gives them a much warmer feeling than the CAD-ones. After painting it's different, but blank imo sculpted ones look more "personal".

[MajorWesJanson]

Examples shabbadoo?

I want to beleave that CAD = Plastic for all Aspects and Wraith, but if it can be proven otherwise...

It's possible, but extremely unlikely that more than a few will be out with the book. Shining Spears/Jetbikes are almost a given, Swooping Hawks seem likely as Jump infantry in plastic is now more common. But there are still so many that there is 3-4 waves worth to spread out of aspect Warriors.

[Starchild]

It's possible, but extremely unlikely that more than a few will be out with the book. Shining Spears/Jetbikes are almost a given, Swooping Hawks seem likely as Jump infantry in plastic is now more common. But there are still so many that there is 3-4 waves worth to spread out of aspect Warriors.

Dire Avengers are a kit I can't see changing for a long while. Swooping Hawks I'd say are 100% likely because they're Mike McVey leftovers from 3rd edition and are out of scale (compare the tiny helmets with a Guardian helmet). The same goes for Shining Spears of course. Warp Spiders are long overdue Jes Goodwin sculpts that have aged surprisingly well, due in no small part to their size which aligns nicely with the current range. When the rumour says "more dynamic Aspect Warriors", I immediately think new Spiders that are actually aiming at their targets and not playing guitar.

Barring new vehicles GW could get away with a modest Eldar model update while sating the needs of pointy-ear fans for a justifyably stunning codex. I'm actually surprised it won't happen sooner.

[Fable]

Any word on what the army-wide mechanic will be?

[Shas'O'Stormblade]

No, he clearly said it will not be a Land Raider-equivalent. Just ... well, he expressed himself a bit unclear and was talking about chassis-differences. However, Eldar won't get a Land Raider like thing (neither bulky size, nor armour), that's for sure.

The way I interpreted it was not large or bulky or high armor. I assumed he meant a transport with an assault ramp.

[Romanus]

The way I interpreted it was not large or bulky or high armor. I assumed he meant a transport with an assault ramp.

The best analogy I can think of at the moment is the Tantalus that FW has made, but also is able to be used for bigger weapon systems. Not necessarily beefier, but better and different then what currently exists.

Cheers,
Rom

[Austinitor]

@Romanus: are you adding detail you have information on, or is that simply your speculation?

[blackraven]

farseers need to be better then grey knight librarians... right?

[Silvertongue]

Farseers need to be better than any other psykers, not counting special characters such as Ahriman. Special character Farseers should be even more powerful than any other psychic, named or not.
But we're talking about being faithful to the background when translating it into rules, and if GW did that, all races would be superior to all other races, and reality would collapse because of the breaking of its rules.

[Asbjorn Nightrunner]

farseers need to be better then grey knight librarians... right?

I disagree. Inquisitot lords, Grey Knights and Space Marine Librarians have always been some of the post destructive psycers in the game, all the way back to Dark Milenium at least. Faraeers have always been portrayed as divining with much of what they do taking place Before the game even starts.

I do agree, with the vein 40k is on that they need more power and direct in game application...but they don't need to be "better" than grey knights...just "Better" at being eldar.

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[Voss]

Farseers need to be better than any other psykers, not counting special characters such as Ahriman. Special character Farseers should be even more powerful than any other psychic, named or not.

Absolutely and utterly disagree, thats exactly the problem that has haunted a lot of GW's special characters from way back in 2nd edition when they were first introduced. They shouldn't be _more powerful_ or _better_, they should be _different_. They should do things that you can't do with a standard, DIY customizable character choice, largely because adding those abilities to the suite of customizable abilities would be ridiculous and broken. Eldrad, for example, shouldn't just be 'everything a farseer can do++,' he should actually have a very small amount of 'what a farseer can do' (just enough to remind us that he is a farseer), but mostly focus on things that 'only Eldrad can do'. But the choice between Eldrad (or whomever) and your own custom farseer should never be 'pay +X points for strictly better.' Thats ridiculous and rather silly, and frankly rather lazy on the part of the writer.

Commander Shadowsun from the Tau codex is a pretty good example of an SC done right (not perfect, and obviously the age of the codex is a problem), simply because she is very distinct a standard Shas'o and Shas'el, and has abilities that make her unique and useful in her own right, without being an obvious or no brainer replacement for the standard commander- there are quite a few things a generic commander can do that she can't touch, but she has her own abilities as well, particularly with her large area leadership buff.

[Baaltor]

Farseers need to be better than any other psykers, not counting special characters such as Ahriman. Special character Farseers should be even more powerful than any other psychic, named or not.
But we're talking about being faithful to the background when translating it into rules, and if GW did that, all races would be superior to all other races, and reality would collapse because of the breaking of its rules.

I disagree. I think GKs should be solidly better than other SM psykers, but not head and shoulds, Farseers and Tzeentch sorcerors should be the 'best' Psykers in the game with Tzeentch psykers having more raw, brutal power, and Farseers being the most skilled/articulated.

Absolutely and utterly disagree, thats exactly the problem that has haunted a lot of GW's special characters from way back in 2nd edition when they were first introduced. They shouldn't be _more powerful_ or _better_, they should be _different_. They should do things that you can't do with a standard, DIY customizable character choice, largely because adding those abilities to the suite of customizable abilities would be ridiculous and broken. Eldrad, for example, shouldn't just be 'everything a farseer can do++,' he should actually have a very small amount of 'what a farseer can do' (just enough to remind us that he is a farseer), but mostly focus on things that 'only Eldrad can do'. But the choice between Eldrad (or whomever) and your own custom farseer should never be 'pay +X points for strictly better.' Thats ridiculous and rather silly, and frankly rather lazy on the part of the writer.

Commander Shadowsun from the Tau codex is a pretty good example of an SC done right (not perfect, and obviously the age of the codex is a problem), simply because she is very distinct a standard Shas'o and Shas'el, and has abilities that make her unique and useful in her own right, without being an obvious or no brainer replacement for the standard commander- there are quite a few things a generic commander can do that she can't touch, but she has her own abilities as well, particularly with her large area leadership buff.

There are two types of special characters: those that are truly exceptional (meaning different and unique) such as the Baron Sliscus, Fabius Bile, and Shadowsun, and those that are the grande father of their character type, Abaddon, Calgar, Eldrad, Deathleaper etc.. Neither type of character is right or wrong, they both add a lot to the game. The problem is when a Grande father character mutates into a "Wardian" character that is just arbitrarily better than anything you could make on your own or make to your specifications. Grande Father characters are great, and aren't used everywhere because their price and needing specific use to make them work efficiently, Draigo, Vulkan and Imotehk shouldn't ruin the genre because of one man's idiocy.

[Voss]

To be fair, the Grande father 'mutation' of which you speak goes back to the early 90s, even the first codex- the 2nd edition Space Wolf book. Even then Ragnar & company was utterly ridiculous, even compared to a standard SW character. And I'd consider the current incarnation of Eldrad to be part of the same problem.

[Spell_of_Destruction]

I disagree. I think GKs should be solidly better than other SM psykers, but not head and shoulds, Farseers and Tzeentch sorcerors should be the 'best' Psykers in the game with Tzeentch psykers having more raw, brutal power, and Farseers being the most skilled/articulated.

Tzeentch doesn't do 'psykers' . I hope they do some interesting stuff with Chaos psychics in the upcoming codex without dealing out a slab of gorgonzola which has been stuffed in a sweaty sock and left in a warm damp cupboard for a month. I like the idea of Chaos having strong psychic offence and weak psychic defence. The problem is that with the power level of GK and SW psychics, where do they go with Chaos?

In some ways it is easier with Eldar because our powers have always filled a specific role - primarily unit buffs. This has been the way since 2nd edition and is explained by the fact that Farseers do not tap directly into the warp for psychic energy (very dangerous for an Eldar). In 2nd ed these powers were not as destructively powerful as those available to other races but they could be game winning if used correctly. They were also much easier to case so I would like to see us have higher mastery levels but powers that are the same/similar to those we have now.

[Hendarion]

Please focus on rumours, not wishlisting. If you want wishlisting, you have a whole topic right here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...Eldar-Wishlist

[eldargal]

This was posted on BoLS, it seems vaguely familiar so I don't know if it was posted here before or is recycled or is simply similar because it matches anotehr accurate rumour or whatever:

I've known for some time, and can't say how. There is going to be a new plastic Avatar. It's not going to be a copy of the forge world model, just like the Winged Hive Tyrant wasn't. It also won't be as big as the Forge World Avatar, but it will be bigger than the current model. So those of you who have bought the FW model can breath a sigh of relief. Now I'm not 100% sure on the next bit but I think I herd there is going to be a choice of 3 weapons.

I got the Finecast Avatar at Christmas. I took it back a month later as it was still in it's pack. I knew I'd regret making the effort of painting it even though I normally play against salamanders. Now you know why GW have locked down there leaks. They can't shift the old models and end up binning them.

mmmmmmm GW bins

[The Dude]

Very old indeed