Mindshackle Scarabs and Wound Allocation

[CKO]

Does Mindshackle scarab make a particular model different for the purposes of wound allocation?

Example one assault terminator fails the scarab test, the entire unit is equip with thunder hammers and stormshields. The necrons strike before the terminators, can he allocate the close combat wounds to the one terminator that failed the test as if the model is armed differently?

[lantzkev]

Is the terminator equipped differently? (short answer is no)

He has a effect on him, but his gear is the same.

[TheGreatDalmuti]

The terminator player takes out the models that die anyway, so you can take out the scarabed model. Wound allocation has nothing to do with this.

[ehlijen]

lantzkev, that's not actually how wound allocation works. Wounds are always allocated to specific models before saves are rolled, then they are grouped by sameness in game terms (which is more than just identical gear). Once saves are failed, any model from the group can be chosen as a casualty.

As the necron player must specify which model is targetted by the mindshackle scarabs, he is in fact, albeit temporarily, different in gaming terms and should, as I read the rules, roll his saves seperately. But if that is not the case, the owning player could still remove him if any identical model fails its save.

So basically, if he were still identical in game terms, that'd be better for the owning player as he gets more chances to fail a save for that model.

[lantzkev]

uh, that's how wound allocation works for this scenario as he's presented it.

Wound allocation works on those that are different than the other, game wise there's nothing that makes it different despite it attacking his own mates... In the scenario he's presented, the only relevant point is if the model affected is equipped differently.

Game term wise he's identical to the others in the squad.

[ehlijen]

How is attacking his friends and attacking the enemy the same in game terms?

And you're also forgetting that having a different statline (but same equipment) also means a different group.

[Gunless Ganger]

How is attacking his friends and attacking the enemy the same in game terms? And you're also forgetting that having a different statline (but same equipment) also means a different group.

So the rules say someone is in a different wound group if they have a different statline and/or different equipment.

Mindshackle scarabs just lets the Necron player make the target cause a few hits on his own squad. It doesn't change him in any way that would affect which wound allocation group he is in.

[Dwane Diblie]

No it does not. They model controled gets a number of hits described in the Mindshackle Scarab rules, and is well and truly a different group as a resault of this.

[wyvirn]

If he gets a given number of hits, and not a change in the number of attacks, that wouldn't constitute a different wound group.

[Nurgling Chieftain]

Ah, "different in game terms". Will you ever cease to cause confusion?