Camo Space Marines

[lantzkev]

Are there any spacemarines that as a chapter make extreme use of camo and sneakiness?

[Iron_Lord]

The Raven Guard and their successors, like the Raptors which tend to be pragmatic when it comes to tactics.

Despite disliking camo extremely, the Red Scorpions are shown to use it during the Badab War.

[Lothlanathorian]

Also, it could be argued that the Alpha Legion make use of camo. Not quite the conventional style you may be thinking, but, by painting their armor to look like different Chapters to sow confusion/disguise themselves.

[All Cing Eye]

I believe the War Bringers SM Chapter wear camoflage. They were featured in a BL short story, Black Dawn in Victories of the Space Marines where they are described as wearing camo.

[Leftenant Gashrog]

Despite disliking camo extremely, the Red Scorpions are shown to use it during the Badab War.

The 1st edition Badab War fluff had them using camo, the Badab War IA book has a camo-looking Red Scorpion but its stated that the armour has suffered severe environmental damage rather than being camo.

Raptors are noted as favouring camo and stealth in general - but they don't use it universally (a lot of people erroneously claim they used it on Taros where they wore their dark green armour.. but Taros was a desert campaign so it definitely wasn't camo).

The Badab War IA books did however return somewhat to the RT fluff of camo being codex-approved rather than a craven deviation: the Howling Griffons were shown in codex night world camo whilst the Fire Hawks like the Red Scorpions were known for the refusal to ever use it.

[NashTrickster]

I can't remember where I read it, so can't say if it's official fluff or just fan-interpretation, but I remember a mention that the "appropriate use of camouflage" is one of the issues dealt with in the Codex Astartes, so it'd actually be Chapters which never use camo which would not be Codex adherent...

Despite disliking camo extremely, the Red Scorpions are shown to use it during the Badab War.

A lot of the Chapters which participated in the Badab War were shown using camo in the original article...

As far as the initial question is concerned, I'd suggest the Raptors which are supposed to originally have a yellow and blue color scheme, but are most often depicted using a scheme which is a camo one... The camo-green scheme shown by GW in their IA (and by FW in IA3: The Taros Campaign) is described as having originally been camo.
And the original Badab War article also presented a winter scheme used by the Chapter (IA9: The Badab War part 1 shows a relatively similar scheme, labelling it: "Field Modified Armour - Tundra Zone Damage - Operation Sedna", which confirms that the use of camo in the Chapter is still part of their current fluff.)

Edit: Ninja'd by Leftenant Gashrog because it took me almost half an hour to give up on trying to find the source for the "camo is codex" affirmation... That'll teach me to check before posting when I've left the page open for a while...

[Iron_Lord]

The 1st edition Badab War fluff had them using camo, the Badab War IA book has a camo-looking Red Scorpion but its stated that the armour has suffered severe environmental damage rather than being camo.

The Badab War IA books did however return somewhat to the RT fluff of camo being codex-approved rather than a craven deviation: the Howling Griffons were shown in codex night world camo whilst the Fire Hawks like the Red Scorpions were known for the refusal to ever use it.

the phrase was "Angstrom Infiltration Force: Ash Zone Armour Contamination" - and in the main section it said

"Although fully capable of employing such tactics when needed (as proved by the Angstrom Incident during the Badab War), the Red Scorpions are know to have a profound dislike of covert operations in favour of meeting and defeating an enemy in open battle. They consider this secretive kind of warfare, as well as its attendant trappings, such as the use of camouflage and infiltration, as fundamentally dishonourable, and shun them unless strictly needed."

In context my guess was that the "contamination" was that the Infiltration Force had coated their armour in ash on purpose to act as camo.

[Tiller5]

The Red Scorpions, in their chapter history article in IA9, are shown to display Codex approved Night World 'camouflage' (painting their armour black basically) for the battle on Khymara as well

[Iron_Lord]

The Red Scorpions, in their chapter history article in IA9, are shown to display Codex approved Night World 'camouflage' (painting their armour black basically) for the battle on Khymara as well

Actually that's the Howling Griffons- pages 128-131.

[Tiller5]

Ah yes of course, my mistake, thanks for the correction!

[b-man]

Also the Reasonable Marines use camo.

[MyNameDidntFit]

Also the Reasonable Marines use camo.

Dammit. I spent the whole thread going "no-one has said Reasonable Marines... excellent" only to find the last post says it -_-

[Myrmidon616]

The Executioners used to look like this before FW included (or rather updated) them in the Badab books.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exec...s#.T7EU0utYtrk

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

"Camouflage is the color of Cowardice"

[Son of Sanguinius]

I think the imagery behind Space Marines is meant to discourage camo. They are supposed to arrive, strike suddenly, and annihilate. Power armor certainly isn't discrete in the majority of cases, and the Scout company provides camo-wearing operatives used for intelligence gathering and covert operations.

Put another way, you shouldn't be deploying superhuman giants in battletank armor if you intend to be sneaky.

[ashendant]

In Deathwatch Rites of Battle Mortifactors use volcanic ash in a ash forest for stealth reason

[Grimbad]

I think the imagery behind Space Marines is meant to discourage camo. They are supposed to arrive, strike suddenly, and annihilate. Power armor certainly isn't discrete in the majority of cases, and the Scout company provides camo-wearing operatives used for intelligence gathering and covert operations.

Put another way, you shouldn't be deploying superhuman giants in battletank armor if you intend to be sneaky.

On the other hand, this is sort of at odds with some other parts of the Space Marines. Literally parts of them- many of their organs are devoted to gathering intelligence, escaping capture, and surviving behind enemy lines. These shouldn't be useful only to scouts.

[Son of Sanguinius]

I'm not terribly familiar with the various organs, but the only one I know of off the top of my head that could fit into "intelligence gathering" is whatever allows them to access gene-memory through consumption of flesh. Survivability is survivability, whether behind enemy lines or not. I'm not necessarily saying I think you're wrong, but I still think camo is useless for them, save for very select situations.

I mean, the only rational reason we can justify having bright yellow, deep blue, blood red, and vivid purple Marines is that they are meant to be seen and remembered when they brutally murder everything in the vicinity.

[Kaapeli]

Space Marine scouts of most chapters apparently use camo cloaks.

[NashTrickster]

I mean, the only rational reason we can justify having bright yellow, deep blue, blood red, and vivid purple Marines is that they are meant to be seen and remembered when they brutally murder everything in the vicinity.

Sure, a giant dressed in blood red murdering single-handedly your whole platoon is sure to be a sight you'll remember your whole life...
But having that same platoon murdered by "something which appeared from nowhere in the middle of it" isn't less striking...