Chaos Dwarfs Tactica 8th Edition

[GodlessM]

Was there any FAQ eveer put out by ForgeWorld on the Blunderbusses, as Tamurkhan's wording says they cause D3 hits each, not D3 shots, so by RAW there is no roll to hit, but surely this is wrong.

[GrandmasterWang]

Just to say a tauruk cant use the black hammer ofhashut. It would be too good if they could. 20 hob gobbos with bows and a champ have done well for me. Cheap and cds need troops and drops as they normally have so few. I agree with the person who recommended the dreadquake with smith. Hellcannon is not armor piercing I believe so that also makes a difference.

Blunders can be great. Like I said ive done well fielding 40. Around 740 pts but it fills the core and most troops will try to ignore. The havent died yet. 3+ armor, t4 and a parry make them very tough. 2 castellans(shame they cant blunder) and the squad aint going anywhere

Blood of hashut can surprise opponents and is not to be overlooked.

Have yet to try fireborn. Models are amazing. Keen to try

Remove the destroyer and magma cannon and chaos dwarfs are very fair. Alas with them it makes people lesskeen to want to vs this forgeworld army. Ash storm is one of the best spells in the game but its fitting.


Anyone tried 10 fireglaives as flank protectors/ whittlers?

[thrawn]

30 Infernal Guard with blunderbusses can be devastating! With a posible 90 S3 hits rerolling to wound as a stand and shoot then they have T4 3+ 6++ save! They can win combats before anyone even swings an axe! They are however expensive and need to be protected against template weapons and magical vortices. Good luck using them.

Use them with a Castellan to make them Stubborn, then you can field them in two ranks for maximum firepower with little risk of fleeing if you lose combat. Then reform and smash them!

but is there a faq for this? am i reading the rules wrong? i was under the impression that if a unit has a weapon, they will use that weapon, and so if they choose to stand and shoot with their blunderbusses' then they have to use them in close combat. someone please clarify this as i have an important game tomorrow. thanks!

[GodlessM]

but is there a faq for this? am i reading the rules wrong? i was under the impression that if a unit has a weapon, they will use that weapon, and so if they choose to stand and shoot with their blunderbusses' then they have to use them in close combat. someone please clarify this as i have an important game tomorrow. thanks!

There is no such rule in the BRB to match what you are saying. You use shooting weapons for shooting and close combat weapons in close combat. They are all clearly labeled in the BRB, and there is no rule that forces you or even allows you to use a shooting weapon in close combat (with exceptions noted in a weapons rules, like a brace of pistols).

[RanaldLoec]

Having leant my book out I was certain the tauruk had a 50pt magic allowance.

The hammer is 35pts from memory so unless I've missed something?

[Dezmord]

Anyone tried 10 fireglaives as flank protectors/ whittlers?

Tried and approved. They stood on one flank and shot down direwolves etc. with ease. Though I must admit that I didn't use the Fireglaive when the unit was engaged - HW/shield always seemed to be better.

A word on the Blunderbuss-IG: Their thread-radius is only 15", so I wouldn't min spending too many points on them as they are easily ignored.

[Dezmord]

Having leant my book out I was certain the tauruk had a 50pt magic allowance.

The hammer is 35pts from memory so unless I've missed something?

The Hammer is Chaos Dwarf only - one could argue that the Tau'Ruk is not a Chaos Dwarf.

[Gary wyper]

I was thinking along the lines of two units of ig with blunderbuss one with bsb and one with aorc with crown of command, is this viable or am I crazy

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[GrandmasterWang]

The Hammer is Chaos Dwarf only - one could argue that the Tau'Ruk is not a Chaos Dwarf.

Yeah. Thats why the item is so cheap compared with the ogre blade as its limited to 3 attacks. A tauruk is not a chaos dwarf, just as a chaos ogre is not a chaos warrior. Its a fair item as is. Too good on a centaur for the pts. I was also plotting a centaur build with it till I realised. Nice fluffy item and perfext for my prophet on taurus as the oop model has a whopping great hammer.

To dezmond I believe the fireglaives have to be used in combat if taken. The ill use.this one rule. This also knocks their cc armor down to 4+. Cheers for the post. I have 10 of the fw models to paint up so will be using them. Brilliant models

[RanaldLoec]

The Hammer is Chaos Dwarf only - one could argue that the Tau'Ruk is not a Chaos Dwarf.

I hate not having my book to double check.

Grandmasterwang could you double check what special rules the tau'ruk and renders are subject too I'm specifically thinking of the general chaos dwarf rules.

I'm not disagreeing with you I just want to be 100% certain, as I'm too inpatient to wait until I get my book back to check.

The ogre blade will suffice for 5 points more. No flaming attacks but its not too big a change in my list.

It's not like we lack flaming attacks

[TsukeFox]

Tried and approved. They stood on one flank and shot down direwolves etc. with ease. Though I must admit that I didn't use the Fireglaive when the unit was engaged - HW/shield always seemed to be better.

A word on the Blunderbuss-IG: Their thread-radius is only 15", so I wouldn't min spending too many points on them as they are easily ignored.

Dude you gotta use your special equipment in close combat, if it functions in close combat.

[MLP]

Yes as previously said the rule is you have to use your bought weapon over your hand weapon, unlike previous editions.

@RanaldLoec: They are right saying that Bull Centaurs cannot use the Black Hammer as it is Chaos Dwarf Only and nowhere in the Bull Centaur Rules does it state that they are Chaos Dwarfs.

The Black Hammer earns its point back against flammable targets with the instant kill, use it with Ashstorm for great effect!

@GodlessM: I've just checked the FAQ and there's no mention of blunderbusses, it's probably not meant to be autohits because it does say that they do not suffer the usual penalties for multile shots and other rules that would indicate using BS to roll to hit.

[RanaldLoec]

Yes as previously said the rule is you have to use your bought weapon over your hand weapon, unlike previous editions.

@RanaldLoec: They are right saying that Bull Centaurs cannot use the Black Hammer as it is Chaos Dwarf Only and nowhere in the Bull Centaur Rules does it state that they are Chaos Dwarfs.

The Black Hammer earns its point back against flammable targets with the instant kill, use it with Ashstorm for great effect!

@GodlessM: I've just checked the FAQ and there's no mention of blunderbusses, it's probably not meant to be autohits because it does say that they do not suffer the usual penalties for multile shots and other rules that would indicate using BS to roll to hit.

Cheers me dears.

[Lord Inquisitor]

Was there any FAQ eveer put out by ForgeWorld on the Blunderbusses, as Tamurkhan's wording says they cause D3 hits each, not D3 shots, so by RAW there is no roll to hit, but surely this is wrong.

I noticed that too but since it specifically states when they suffer to hit modifiers and when they don't, it's a safe bet that means "shots" since the two parts contradict each other. I don't mind if you have D3 autohits as long as you then roll to hit with each hit again as per the blunderbuss rules. Definitely should have been errata'd though, it's confusing.

[Dezmord]

Dude you gotta use your special equipment in close combat, if it functions in close combat.

My reading of the rules is, that you are allowed to choose which weapon you use in combat - the only exception being magic weapons which have to be used.

[TsukeFox]

My reading of the rules is, that you are allowed to choose which weapon you use in combat - the only exception being magic weapons which have to be used.

Nooo-
You have to use your special weapon-spearman have to use spears, halberd users have to use halberds.

Only black orcs have the option.

[Lord Inquisitor]

Yes, you must use your special weapons in combat, although if you have more than one special weapon you can choose which you use. Unfortunately a hand weapon/shield doesn't count as a special weapon.

[Dezmord]

I stand corrected

[thrawn]

Yes, you must use your special weapons in combat, although if you have more than one special weapon you can choose which you use. Unfortunately a hand weapon/shield doesn't count as a special weapon.

i think this is what was confusing me, and why i thought you must use blunderbuss in close combat.

[RanaldLoec]

The chaos dwarf faq doesn't cover the blunderbus in the first two pages.

Although the third page won't load or its just blank.