Felix Jaeger met Mannfred von Carstein?

[woodster17]

Now now, none of you have actually read the recent G&F stories, I assume.

Take a look at what Josh Reynolds wrote not too long ago:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-prod...ess-ebook.html

Yes, its about said scene about Mannfred's ressurection, including the girl, the necromancer, a few companions and, of course, Felix and Gotrek.
It is there, it is great and it has never been forgotten. It just happens that the duo has travelled the old world for a long time and revisited a lot of places time and again, for good or bad. From the timelines alone should be obvious that they had to venture into Sylvania multiple times - it looks like the lot of you is quite interested in debating these timelines and inaccuracies. Thing is, they haven't been updated with the latest fluff, and you are taking them for granted, maybe even without reading the actual stories mentioned.

The ressurection of Mannfred von Carstein happened, Gotrek & Felix were around, it just did not fit into a full novel so far, but it hasn't been forgotten and arrived as a stand-alone eNovella at last. It's a good read, I recommend reading it to clear up the misunderstandings Trying to put together a complex timeline that stretches over a dozen novels, countless short stories and novellas is quite a foolish thing to attempt if you don't have all the pieces at the ready.

Arghhh! Curse E-Books. Nothing tangible about them dammit! Josh Reynolds? When did he get on the G+F scene?

[Athelassan]

Yeah, I've read the recent omnibus (there are stories from many contributors in there) and most of the recent novels, but I don't read ebooks, so I missed that one.

I seem to recall years ago when BL first ventured into ebooks and audiobooks they said that everything would continue to be available in print. That doesn't seem to have happened, just as I suspected it wouldn't.

[woodster17]

Yeah, I've read the recent omnibus (there are stories from many contributors in there) and most of the recent novels, but I don't read ebooks, so I missed that one.

I seem to recall years ago when BL first ventured into ebooks and audiobooks they said that everything would continue to be available in print. That doesn't seem to have happened, just as I suspected it wouldn't.

It's really annoying too. I made a point of collecting every BL WFB novel to ever be released- took ages to complete the lot (and at considerable cost) and then e-books ruin it. I think a lot of people who enjoy reading will agree there is nothing like having the novel in your hands. I have a Kindle but rarely use it, it's just not the same.

[Drongol]

It's really annoying too. I made a point of collecting every BL WFB novel to ever be released- took ages to complete the lot (and at considerable cost) and then e-books ruin it. I think a lot of people who enjoy reading will agree there is nothing like having the novel in your hands. I have a Kindle but rarely use it, it's just not the same.

Yeah, I totally hate how I can carry hundreds of novels around with me at all times and reread them whenever I want. It's terrible how the binding no longer degrades and the spines don't break, and how I no longer have to deal with those wonderful book jackets which cannot seem to stay on no matter what you do. :P

In case it's not obvious, I am completely and fully in support of e-books over the paper novel and have been slowly updating my library to fully electronic. Being able to carry around the entire Discworld series is more than worth it, in my opinion.

[Artinam]

I agree with the feeling of a real book in your hands, but the accessibility of obscure novels trough electronics means isn't something that should be denied to the masses i my opinion. Its still one heck of a collection though .

[Athelassan]

Yeah, I totally hate how I can carry hundreds of novels around with me at all times and reread them whenever I want. It's terrible how the binding no longer degrades and the spines don't break, and how I no longer have to deal with those wonderful book jackets which cannot seem to stay on no matter what you do. :P

In case it's not obvious, I am completely and fully in support of e-books over the paper novel and have been slowly updating my library to fully electronic. Being able to carry around the entire Discworld series is more than worth it, in my opinion.

Well, I'm not trying to stop you from reading ebooks. People can experience literature however they like. Personally, I don't like them and would much rather have a "real" book, which is why I find it frustrating when books are released only in ebook format.

[Urgat]

I prefer normal books too. Heck, I've been reading the non-pocket version of all the Song of Ice and Fire in the subway while going to work. Takes some room in the backpack I tell you
@Drongol: well, books don't need batteries, and you don't feel like committing suicide if you forget one somewhere? Who needs to carry the entire Discworld series with him anyway?

[Drongol]

I prefer normal books too. Heck, I've been reading the non-pocket version of all the Song of Ice and Fire in the subway while going to work. Takes some room in the backpack I tell you
@Drongol: well, books don't need batteries, and you don't feel like committing suicide if you forget one somewhere? Who needs to carry the entire Discworld series with him anyway?

To counter, I'll merely point out that I use my iPhone as my primary e-reader and it simply doesn't get forgotten.

Additionally, someone who reads voraciously and enjoys re-reading books would like to carry a series or two around with him or her. I have certainly found it invaluable when dealing with life's little inconveniences.

[Urgat]

I got nothing against people who read ebooks, but don't pick on my paper books can't get how you can stand reading a book on an Iphone. Even on my galaxy S2 (with its huge screen) I couldn't do that, so on a smaller screen? My poor eyes, they hurt only thinking about it >< Anyway that's OT, sorry 'bout that.

[Athelassan]

To be honest, although I am a voracious reader, I've never felt the need to carry more than one book with me at any time unless I'm travelling somewhere for a couple of days. The only time I've found taking a sufficient number of books with me to be difficult is when going away for several months at a time, which is unlikely to happen again in the foreseeable future.

Does our turning to the discussion of ebooks suggest that we have exhausted the original topic.

[woodster17]

I have nothing against e-books, the concept is a good one but don't make something specific to e-books for those who prefer the novel in hand.

[Craze_b0i]

I still have the 4th ed Undead book, but annoyingly it and most of my other outdated rulebooks are over at my parents house.

As I recall there was inconsistency between the G&F story and the Manfred profile page... The latter said that "the poet Felix Jaegar claims to have actually met Manfred, but his story of a vampire count being defeated by a dwarf with silver candlesticks seems highly inplausible". IIRC in the actual story Gotrek used his axe (no candlesticks), so either Felix embellished his tale or the armybook writer made a mistake.

[Arnizipal]

I think they're just trying to belittle Gotrek's axe

[Scalebug]

It is probably intentional, in-universe something Felix has taken a bit of dramatic licence with, or it wasn't part of the published "My travels with Gotrek", and he just told someone who told someone, etc, and it got embellished over 20 years up until the "now" of the setting.

Possibly it wasn't published because someone, either Mannfred or Imperial authorities suppressed it, not wanting the public to know that the vampire counts were back...

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

I have nothing against e-books, the concept is a good one but don't make something specific to e-books for those who prefer the novel in hand.

Why not If it makes the most financial sense to release them that way then that's what will happen. It could very well be the easiest or even the only way to release stories like that unless you want them to not release it and instead have it laying around waiting for them to maybe fit it into an anthology at some point.

So it might appear as a physical version at some point, but just because they don't release it as that right now should they not publish it at all?

[woodster17]

Why not If it makes the most financial sense to release them that way then that's what will happen. It could very well be the easiest or even the only way to release stories like that unless you want them to not release it and instead have it laying around waiting for them to maybe fit it into an anthology at some point.

So it might appear as a physical version at some point, but just because they don't release it as that right now should they not publish it at all?

No, but it makes a mockery out of the fact that many people would have spent time and considerable money collecting all the books. And re-read my post, I never claimed that they should flat out stop making e-books, just that it would be only fair to do both for those who prefer a material novel. If it appears in an anthology at some point then that's fine, if it never get's released in paper form then I will be annoyed.

[snottlebocket]

No, but it makes a mockery out of the fact that many people would have spent time and considerable money collecting all the books. And re-read my post, I never claimed that they should flat out stop making e-books, just that it would be only fair to do both for those who prefer a material novel. If it appears in an anthology at some point then that's fine, if it never get's released in paper form then I will be annoyed.

When a book only appears in an e-book format it was usually a choice between releasing it as an e-book or not at all.

[woodster17]

When a book only appears in an e-book format it was usually a choice between releasing it as an e-book or not at all.

It's just a personal preference. I love gadgets and technology, I'm a 22 year old masters journalism student, my future career relies on it, but I just love collecting and having books. If it all starts to go the e-book way it will be pretty disappointing.

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

I never claimed that they should flat out stop making e-books, just that it would be only fair to do both for those who prefer a material novel. If it appears in an anthology at some point then that's fine, if it never get's released in paper form then I will be annoyed.

I'd hate to say it, but BL isn't there to be fair. Obviously I don't know the numbers, but if there isn't a financial basis for releasing it as a book but they can release it as an ebook then that's what they are going to do. Personally I still prefer physical copies when it comes to reading too, at least if it's a lengthy text, but if we insist on physical copies of everything then we are also going to have to accept that fewer things will be published. If they have fiction they would like to publish and they think they can make money of it, but only if the publish it as an ebook then they should publish it as such. That you and I prefer physical books should be irrelevant.

[snottlebocket]

It's just a personal preference. I love gadgets and technology, I'm a 22 year old masters journalism student, my future career relies on it, but I just love collecting and having books. If it all starts to go the e-book way it will be pretty disappointing.

I know, but publishing and production is expensive and warhammer novels are a niche product. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply got to the point where e-publishing is the only affordable model.

Personally I bought a kindle thinking I was going to hate it. Turns out I'm perfectly ok with it. And it seriously helped my bookcase that I now only buy the books that I'll be reading repeatedly rather than every pulp novel I'll blow through in a day or two before letting it waste space. Now my shelves are full of the sort of books I read at least once a year (1984, lord of the rings, discworld novels etc.) and my kindle has a steady rotation of the sort of stuff I read once.