Models for Lizardmen and Dark Elves no longer available

[Veshnakar]

I'd love to see some plastic Tomb Kings and Elf characters. Come on GW, enough of Chaos for a little bit!

[Skywave]

Why? Tomb Kings have such a good and extensive selection of characters choice that they didn't deem it neccesary to keep the old Liches with the new release, as we are now totally well served with the ... one ... new awesome model they released. The Goblin Shaman was much more welcome and long awaited.

That's totally sarcastic of course, nothing against the shaman mini, I actually quite like it But would indeed love to see some more love for the TK

[En Sabbah Nur]

Some armies are more in the need of plastic kit characters (bretonnia, daemons [all heralds], ogre kingdoms...) and it will make no sense to enhance an army which character catalog is well extended.
And I think Tomb kings only need an herald to be made, and it will be good ^^

[Silvertongue]

Seriously? TKs are in dire need of LP models. The only one we have now is, well, exceedingly craptastic. The "oooo I gotta pee NOW!" pose and the egypt-kitsch zombie look are just horrible. Besides, it just doesn't match the description of LPs in the book, that says they wear elaborate headdresses. Also, in ANY TK army you'd need more than just one LP, and quite frankly, MrPee doesn't look the part of a High Liche Priest. Gah, I just hate that mini.

[decker_cky]

I think you have to ignore all metal and finecast character models to see the logic in the plastic character releases. It doesn't matter if there's 17 other goblin shamans. There's no plastic goblin shaman available (arachnarok model doesn't count). GW is filling hole in the range of plastic characters, not holes in the character range. It also looks to me like they've put a lot of time and effort into designing really cool designs for these characters, since there hasn't been any duds yet (oldblood isn't mindblowing, but it's still a nice sculpt, same with the empire captain, and that's even growing on me). Compare this generation of plastic characters to the last generation with orc characters who were too small, the empire model on foot with an awkward stance. The mounted empire character was nice, the empire wizards were amazing, and the two sets HE got were quite nice and covered both mounted and on foot options, but that's 3/10 subpar models.

[Ebon]

Because finecast, as I've understood it, is a transition step to fill gaps before everything eventually gets turned into plastic.

Given that Failcash has been an utter fiasco, I would applaud the transition of everything to plastic. I would but £9 for a single man-sized plastic mini is even more of a rip-off than Failcash. That said, the boxes that O&G, Empire and HE's have for their generals (the ones that make two models, one mounted and have tons of bits) are great and I'd love for GW to introduce them for every army. I don't see any real problem with doing those for every army (with the possible exception of Skaven and Dwarfs which don't have mount options).

And, if there weren't for the issues that have been reported (I can't comment on those, I haven't bought any finecast mini yet), finecast does sound like a good product.

Which is a little like saying "but apart from that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?".

It'd be great to have an Ogre Kingdoms HQ choice that didn't cost $40.

Given that this is GW, you'll probably get a plastic one at $50.

[decker_cky]

Given that Failcash has been an utter fiasco, I would applaud the transition of everything to plastic. I would but £9 for a single man-sized plastic mini is even more of a rip-off than Failcash. That said, the boxes that O&G, Empire and HE's have for their generals (the ones that make two models, one mounted and have tons of bits) are great and I'd love for GW to introduce them for every army. I don't see any real problem with doing those for every army (with the possible exception of Skaven and Dwarfs which don't have mount options).

Don't agree on the rip-off. Part of what you pay is paying what you're willing. For many people, plastic is the ideal material for all their models, even ignoring price considerations. Also consider that there's a huge fixed cost for making a plastic mold, and monopose plastic characters aren't a high volume item. GW has to be able to recoup the costs and make a profit on the models, so pricing shouldn't be comparable to pricing for a plastic regiment.

[Mr. Ultra]

Given that Failcash has been an utter fiasco.

Do you have access to GW finecast sales index? Why are you assuming that Finecast is a "fiasco"? What is talking, your reason or your hatred?

[Deff Mekz]

Do you have access to GW finecast sales index? Why are you assuming that Finecast is a "fiasco"? What is talking, your reason or your hatred?

Without meaning to go too much of topic, in a way it was. One of GW's biggest selling points is the reputation they have for producing quality miniatures, like it or not finecast damages that reputation.

BOT: Carnosaur Cav! That sounds rather cool actually, but if other 8th ed books are anything to go by players who own a Oldblood on Carnosaur will be ticked off.

[Ebon]

Don't agree on the rip-off. Part of what you pay is paying what you're willing. For many people, plastic is the ideal material for all their models, even ignoring price considerations. Also consider that there's a huge fixed cost for making a plastic mold, and monopose plastic characters aren't a high volume item. GW has to be able to recoup the costs and make a profit on the models, so pricing shouldn't be comparable to pricing for a plastic regiment.

Would you like me to link you to the prices other companies charge for their character models? Even leaving that aside, the question then becomes why did GW decide to do those models in plastic? They're nice, sure, but nothing that couldn't have been done in metal. GW made the shift to plastic for the exact same reason they (and every other corporation) makes any decision: More profits. If it wasn't more profitable for them to do the models in plastic, they would still be doing them in metal. It's that simple and anything else is simply being an apologist.

Do you have access to GW finecast sales index? Why are you assuming that Finecast is a "fiasco"? What is talking, your reason or your hatred?

I don't consider the two to be antithetical. Failcash costs more (in some cases, vastly more) and every single model I have seen has been has been inferior (in some cases, vastly inferior) to a metal counterpart whether because of bubbling, mould slips or Failcash's seeming inability to take a hard edge. So, yeah, it's been a fiasco.

[MooseOnTheLoose]

Don't agree on the rip-off. Part of what you pay is paying what you're willing. For many people, plastic is the ideal material for all their models, even ignoring price considerations. Also consider that there's a huge fixed cost for making a plastic mold, and monopose plastic characters aren't a high volume item. GW has to be able to recoup the costs and make a profit on the models, so pricing shouldn't be comparable to pricing for a plastic regiment.

Lets not forget these characters aren't single moulds that reflect the cost in just "selling the goblin shaman" they are combined with at least 3 other characters on in the same mould. So its selling 1 sprue as 4 separate plastic characters. THe standard 10 man plastic kit cost $50 CDN, which is equal to 8 plastic heroes each prices at current $16 CSN (price hike coming) even if they sell a fraction of the plastic characters the profit on each sale is just as good if not better. So there is a lot of comparable pricing that can be done.

[Tonny]

Lets not forget these characters aren't single moulds that reflect the cost in just "selling the goblin shaman" they are combined with at least 3 other characters on in the same mould. So its selling 1 sprue as 4 separate plastic characters. THe standard 10 man plastic kit cost $50 CDN, which is equal to 8 plastic heroes each prices at current $16 CSN (price hike coming) even if they sell a fraction of the plastic characters the profit on each sale is just as good if not better. So there is a lot of comparable pricing that can be done.

I thought those characters are single moulds and not 4 per mould.

I think these plastic character clampacks is one the best things GW did in years. I really dislike metal minis. Plastic minis are the future and metal minis will hopefully soon be a thing of the past.

[Why]

I like metal much more than finecra...cast

[Sophet Drahas]

I thought those characters are single moulds and not 4 per mould.

I think these plastic character clampacks is one the best things GW did in years. I really dislike metal minis. Plastic minis are the future and metal minis will hopefully soon be a thing of the past.

Bleh. I'm a metal man myself. Still working on a metal only Slaanesh army for Fantasy.

Granted though that the newer plastic kits are looking great with the new dynamic poses which were never possible in metal. But as for Finecrap, anything that could have been done in metal I'll go to eBay for when needed.

But then again, I don't mind the extra work it takes for the metals.

[LotusCorgi]

Switching loads of models over to fynecast just discourages me from picking up a new army. If I was interested on DE, I'm looking at a major investment to get some special choices going on. Instead I'll just buy a few bits and bobs for my long running VC army. I can't complain about fynecast too much as I have not yet bought a model.

[Lord Dan]

I don't want to get involved in a discussion about the success or failure of Finecast without seeing any numbers, however can we just call it "Finecast"? "Failcast", "Finecrap", and the newer "Failcash" all sound even more ridiculous than the original, and honestly feel a bit juvenile. Additionally when someone uses them I automatically assume that they're so far biased against the product that any reasonable discussion on the topic would be impossible. It would be like if someone posted:

"Hey guys, have you picked up any models in that new SuperFantasticCast yet?"

Would you take them seriously?

[Morkash]

I don't want to get involved in a discussion about the success or failure of Finecast without seeing any numbers, however can we just call it "Finecast"? "Failcast", "Finecrap", and the newer "Failcash" all sound even more ridiculous than the original, and honestly feel a bit juvenile. Additionally when someone uses them I automatically assume that they're so far biased against the product that any reasonable discussion on the topic would be impossible. It would be like if someone posted:

"Hey guys, have you picked up any models in that new SuperFantasticCast yet?"

Would you take them seriously?

I find this to be a double-edged sword. On the one hand you have the Failcasters, who describe Finecast as the crown of uselessness and who manage to find flaws everywhere. While I feel very sorry for the people who have to play customer service replacement lottery, but often their dislike goes as far as not being able to accept that anyone else got a good cast, maybe even on the first try.

On the other hand you have the equally biased crowd of Finecast devotees who will have purchased LOTS of figures, EACH and EVERY ONE without the slighest flaw ... without providing a single picture. If you browse the Finecast feedback thread a bit you will mostly find pictures of bad models. I submitted the two good models (Isabella & Imperial Witch Hunter) I bought to show the other side of the medal, but good models are still in minority. These devotees also tend to defend GW in general more than the generic Warseer and will defend new Finecasts vehemently. Now in some cases I can even understand them (Hellcannon and Slann come to my mind), but where the haters tend to see only the downsides these people see only perfection where no perfection can be found. (since there are only a handful of pictures of perfect casts)

In the end, it's like with politics: Both sides are wrong and the reality lies somewhere in between.

[Valaraukar]

Morkash you are quite right of course, the real crux is where that somewhere in between lies relative to old metal quality (imo worse for casting quality as almost all casts will have some minor defects in my experience but better for ease of assembly) and then taking into account the sometimes incomprehensible price increases which accompany the transition. For me that somewhere inbetween lies slightly below metal in terms of quality overall (better overall for those which were annoying to assemble in metal eg. Slann, Hellcannon etc.) which makes the increased price absurd especially given we also know it was introduced as a cost cutting measure for GW.

[Daigar]

I find that Finecast is great for conversions. It is far more likely that you will get what you need without replacements if you only need a few bits from it.

[Valaraukar]

Yes but then you'll be paying EVEN more for those few bits, hardly a great situation to leave the converters amongst us in.