2500pts Khorne Army bit of help please?

[Sicarius the 2nd]

Fantasy Army: WoC

Please take a look at this for me:
---KHORNE LIST---

Chaos Lord: 210pts
Mark of Khorne: 15pts
Axe of Khorne: 45pts
Talisman of Endurance: 30pts
Helm of Many Eyes: 25pts
Shield: 10pts
Juggernaught: 50pts
Bloodcurdling Roar: 20pts
Total: 405pts

Exalted Hero: 110pts
Mark of Khorne: 15pts
Army Battle Standard: 25pts
Talisman of Preservation: 45pts
Flail & Favour of the Gods: 9pts
Total: 204pts

27 Chaos Warriors: 405pts
Mark of Khorne: 30pts
Full Command: 30pts
Additional Hand Weapons: 27pts
Lichebone Pennant: 15pts
Total: 507pts

6 Marauder Horsemen: 78pts
Mark of Khorne: 30pts
Light Armour: 6pts
Musician & Flails: 18pts
Total: 132pts

6 Marauder Horsemen: 78pts
Mark of Khorne: 30pts
Light Armour: 6pts
Musician & Flails: 18pts
Total: 132pts

6 Juggernaught Knights: 390pts
Great Weapons: 72pts
Jugger Champion: 20pts
Total: 482pts
(dragon ogres)

8 Chaos Knights: 320pts
Mark of Khorne: 30pts
Standard & Musician: 30pts
Banner of Eternal Flame: 10pts
Total: 390pts

Chaos Warshrine: 130pts
Mark of Khorne: 30pts
Total: 160pts

2412pts - 88pts to go, where can I spend those points?,

Thanks Andy

[TheOneHawk]

First off, individual point cost posting is a no no. GW gets pissed if they see it.

Now, on to the list.

I really like that you actually stuck with the Khorne theme and have no magic, and no non Khorne units. Well done.

Banner of Eternal Flame on the Knights is completely useless, as they have magical attacks and as such cannot have flaming attacks.

The shield on the lord is also useless, as he already has a 1+ armour save from his chaos armour and being on a juggernaut. You can't get lower than 1+ in 8th

Why the flail on the exalted? Sword and board, or halberd would be better choices. I'm assuming the FotG is so he can go in a unit and it can get warshrined?

Not a fan of the Lichebone Pennant on the warriors. MR isn't worth the points, even in a Khorne army. I'd give them the BoEF instead, and then put the standard of discipline on the knights, where I assume the lord will go, to give Ld 10.

I'd also split the warriors into two units of 18 and give them halberds instead of AHW. The two units of 18 will give you more flexibility and make it harder for your opponent to target your mainline infantry block with spells, since there will be two of them. Halberds will give you better damage per model then AHW will, though I must say having 4 attacks base on warriors is fun, especially when they get +1 from the warshrine.

Everything else looks good. Maybe throw in some warhounds if you have spare points? But you probably won't if you do what I suggest with the warriors.

[Sicarius the 2nd]

The one Hawk, thanks man, needed that bit of help to switch things, just needed to know where to start, will post a new one soon.

[OgreDan]

I recommend a dragon.

[Zeroth]

You want to fill up with Chaos Warhounds, they are great redirecters. Chaff gives board control which wins the game

[Sicarius the 2nd]

I have re-worked the list slightly, basically swapped som magic items, weapons and added 6 dogs, I still wanna keep t he big unit of warriors and won't be splitting them in two. As for a dragon, nah sorry don't like big gribblies, though I am tempted by a dragon ogre shaggoth, modelled as a blood thirster!?

Chaos Lord
Mark of Khorne
Axe of Khorne
Talisman of Endurance
Helm of Many Eyes
Juggernaught
Bloodcurdling Roar
Total: 395pts

Exalted Hero
Mark of Khorne
Army Battle Standard
Talisman of Preservation
Halberd & Favour of the Gods
Total: 204pts

27 Chaos Warriors
Mark of Khorne
Full Command
Additional Hand Weapons
Banner of Eternal Flame
Total: 502pts

6 Marauder Horsemen
Mark of Khorne
Light Armour
Musician & Flails
Total: 132pts

6 Marauder Horsemen
Mark of Khorne
Light Armour
Musician & Flails
Total: 132pts

6 Khorne Hounds: 36pts

6 Juggernaught Knights
Great Weapons:
Jugger Champion
Total: 482pts

10 Chaos Knights
Mark of Khorne
Standard & Musician
Total: 460pts

Chaos Warshrine
Mark of Khorne
Total: 160pts

Total: 2503pts

Thanks
Andy

[TheOneHawk]

Better, for sure. I don't like going a couple points over, though. I would drop the blood curdling roar on the general and give the knights (where I assume he will be) the banner of leadership, to bring you to 2498. Some people don't mind a couple points over, though. Depends on your group.

Overall, though, this should be a solid list.

[madival]

I am curious, someone said the knight attacks were magical. How is that?

[TheOneHawk]

They are by default. Unless you give them lances, they have magical attacks.

[Sicarius the 2nd]

Right i aim to get the army to 3000pts, I already have my allotted core allowance for that point range and I'm guessing I'll come up against some big in that amount of points, what should I add? I am thinking about a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth with an extra hand weapon which comes in at 275pts which leaves me 225pts, he would be modelled as a bloodthirster or what other choices do I have for the next 500pts?

Andy

[Valaraukar]

You could do worse than spending 205 on a hellcannon, can help take down big nasties, put a sizeable whole in even elite units then hit light units or flanks in combat to tip the odds in your favour.

[Gop]

Hellcannon would definitely help. At present you are in danger of being magicked and/or shot out of your saddle. Empire or Dwarf gunline would love to face you. Grudgethrowers would have a field day. I can't help remembering the last time my castled dwarves faced mostly walking Khorne. Only a handful of Khorne minis were left on the table...

The knights fastness might help a bit. I know you want to go Khorne, but a traitorous little wizard hidden away somewhere might also help vs shooting. If not, charge for all your worth! Good luck with it.

[TheOneHawk]

Why do people always tell Khorne players to take mages. Annoys me to no end.

That said, hellcannon is definitely a good idea. Or two >.>

[Sicarius the 2nd]

I agree sorry but the purpose of this all Khorne army is to have no Sorcerers. But I do like the look of hellcannons now after reading the rules and fluff, but how do I fit the. To the Khorne the,e and what do I spend the rest of the points on? List + 2 Hellcannons= 2913pts......more dogs, or add to Dagon ogres, what do you think?

Thanks for all your input great help, art from the Tzeentch follower, grrrrrrr!

Andy

[TheOneHawk]

Is there a particular reason you don't have any marauders? GW Khorne marauders are the killiest 5 points in the entire game.

[Efrovius]

I have never had very good luck with the Shaggoth, despite liking the model and concept. Would definitely recommend the Hellcannons over the D Ogre Shaggie. And TheOneHawk asks a very good question about the Marauders. A chunk of MoK, GW Marauders will either pull a lot of missile attacks off your more elite units or your opponent will regret not giving them some love when they hit his lines, especially if they can pop an enemy core unit. You are definitely going to take some abuse on the approach but I would love to see this army perform.

[Zeroth]

Definately more dogs, just wait 'til you get the feel of playing with redirectors. It is ridiculously good in this game. Just keep them more than 6 inch away from each other and put them right infront of your enemies biggest threat in an angle so bad that he won't do anything but reform after a charge.

[Sicarius the 2nd]

Hey for 500pts I can fit in Wulfric with an outflanking unit of 43 Khorne Marauders with light armour, full command and flails, which seems like a good concept? Or I can take one hell cannon and still have enough points to take a unit of 40 marauders with the same build as above, without outflank?!
Andy

[TheOneHawk]

Hellcannon, imo. But I don't like SC's. Also, cut the light armour, give them GW's not flails. Drop the champion in favour of another marauder, too.

[GodlessM]

I strongly suggest changing your Lords build 'cause as he is he is just a 300pts+ target with no Look Out Sir and a bad ward save. Any war machine should be able to splat him easily. This is easily fixed by giving him the Crimson Armour of Dargon.