Deathmark Question

[Ceason]

I've been poking around and can't seem to find an answer to this one. Can a unit of Necron deathmarks that arrive in the ememy's turn via deep strike shoot as well? All it says is they can deep strike in on the enemy's turn. It's another not covered in the FAQ and it doesn't say you can't? Does it follow the normal deep strike rules? I don't know anything else that can shoot on the enemy's turn but that Tyranid doom of Malatai guy whose area effect happens every turn. I don't know if it's a shooting attack however. Anyone help on this one?

[hazmiter]

Id say that shooting is done in your phase.

[Ceason]

It was going on at the next table and they asked us. After reading the Deathmark rules and the deep strike rules it says,"In that "turn's" shooting phase (deep strike) these units can fire, or run, as normal." It's on page 95 of the Black Reach mini rulebook. Deathmark's rules say they can arrive the turn your opponent's unit arrive. Seemed like it to me.

So the guy playing the guard said no, and the Necron player said yes. Necron's argument was they come in right behind shooting. Guard player said no shooting, the benefit of the rules is they don't have to roll for reserves. Just kinda counters the enemy's advantage of adding more to his army.

Can't find anything that says yes or no either way.

[hazmiter]

Generally, a unit that deepstrikes can shoot during its phase, but the death mark gets the advantage of deepstiking at the same time the opponent deepstrikes, thus if it got shooting in the opponents phase it would be grossly over the top.
Exception to the rule is coteaz I have been expecting you rule, where it is expressly written that coteaz and his squad may shoot immediately after something deepstrikes within 12".
The deathmark special rules should have it in there if it can, or cannot.

[TheGreatDalmuti]

The rule you quoted has an "as normal" in it. Would you concider it normal for one of your units to shoot in the opponent's shooting phase?

[Nurgling Chieftain]

...it doesn't say you can't?

It doesn't say you can, so therefore you cannot.

"In that "turn's" shooting phase (deep strike) these units can fire, or run, as normal."

I agree with TheGreatDalmuti: "as normal" in this rather unusual case means "you can't fire". The Deathmarks get no special dispensation to allow them to fire in the enemy's shooting phase, so therefore they cannot.

[Ceason]

The rule you quoted has an "as normal" in it. Would you concider it normal for one of your units to shoot in the opponent's shooting phase?

By that rationale, deep striking on your opponent's turn isn't "normal" either.

[Konovalev]

By that rationale, deep striking on your opponent's turn isn't "normal" either.

Doesn't matter, the rule explicitly allows the deathmarks to deepstrike out of turn.

[Tethylis]

By that rationale, deep striking on your opponent's turn isn't "normal" either.

Correct. Thats why Ethereal Interception is needed to give deathmark's special permission to DS immediately after and enemy unit arrives from reserve, 'usually in the enemy turn'.

[Nurgling Chieftain]

Yeah, really. Deep-striking in the enemy's turn is anything but ordinary. Of course, in Necron-vs.-Necron matchups, you could potentially use that rule to deep-strike in your own turn. Then you could fire. ..."As normal"...

[Lothlanathorian]

Yeah, really. Deep-striking in the enemy's turn is anything but ordinary. Of course, in Necron-vs.-Necron matchups, you could potentially use that rule to deep-strike in your own turn. Then you could fire. ..."As normal"...

My head popped.

[Ceason]

According to the Customer Service rep, it goes with Nurgling Chieftan's post above. It doesn't say you can, therefore you cannot. Thanks for the replies everyone, and yes, it would be over the top. But that seems the way the game is going lately.

[Ceason]

Yeah, really. Deep-striking in the enemy's turn is anything but ordinary. Of course, in Necron-vs.-Necron matchups, you could potentially use that rule to deep-strike in your own turn. Then you could fire. ..."As normal"...

Wait a sec, you deep strike a unit, his Deathmarks come out, and then yours follow his?

[hazmiter]

Yep. Sneaky tactics.....
You deepstrike, his deathmarks come out, so do yours XD

[DoctorTom]

By that rationale, deep striking on your opponent's turn isn't "normal" either.

Go back and reread the quote you gave - where did it say the deep strike was normal? It only mentioned shooting and running as normal. As others have pointed out, you have been given the explicit permission to deep strike on your opponent's turn.