Space marines are overpowered because of their 3+ save.

[sakura_ninja]

Marines have always been OP, it is just that bad players tend to play marines. GK, SW, BA are just more OP.

Ah 3rd edition back when star cannons were good - how the marine players did cry.

Funniest thing : It takes an anti tank weapon to reliably kill space marines ! I love that argument, " just bring anti tank weapons against infantry, see thats balanced !".

I...just don't know anymore.

Due to this thread going nowhere fast here is a distraction from this slow trainwreck excuse of a thread
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[R Man]

Marines have always been OP, it is just that bad players tend to play marines. GK, SW, BA are just more OP.

Have you surveyed the marine player population? Do you have any scientific measures? Have you mapped tournament results from various editions of the game, and then conducted an analysis balancing no. of Marine armies comparative to the overall population of players at the time of those editions?

Funniest thing : It takes an anti tank weapon to reliably kill space marines ! I love that argument, " just bring anti tank weapons against infantry, see thats balanced !".

Or, you could just try loads of bullets.

[hazmiter]

We need adoptacat.
Sakura, I quite agree, I feel like a troll

[Whut]

Marines have always been OP, it is just that bad players tend to play marines. GK, SW, BA are just more OP.

Ah 3rd edition back when star cannons were good - how the marine players did cry.

Funniest thing : It takes an anti tank weapon to reliably kill space marines ! I love that argument, " just bring anti tank weapons against infantry, see thats balanced !".

Explain to me that if what you said right there ^ is the reason that SM armies are OP, then why:

1) Do you not cry about Chaos Marines, Sisters, or Necrons

2) Do you not see foot marine armies win in competitive environments.

I regularly play against all kinds marines with my DE in a competitive environment. I NEVER think for even a moment "those 3+ saves are going to give me trouble." It is not the 3+ saves. Its the overload of heavy and special weapons they have for dirt cheap (again, SW and GK).

Actually, the really funniest thing is that enemy shooting doesn't matter. When I play my cheese tourney-only GK list against Dark Eldar, my GK units might as well have 6+ Saves, as I rarely get shot. First turn the DE are left with (at most) 2-4 disabled vehicles, and by turn 4 (often turn 3) the DE are nearly tabled. I rarely lose more than 1-2 units. The fact that I've had this result time and time again just proves that the saves don't matter.

[sakura_ninja]

We need adoptacat.
Sakura, I quite agree, I feel like a troll

I'm sure once mods have EVENTUALLY stopped handing out infractions to people for painting blue a darker shade than rules allow they might finally take note of how utterly worthless this thread has become going around in circles and finally lock it.

[BrotherCaptainS]

Those guardsmen cost 1440pts, I doubt 10 Paladins cost nearly as much.

just for giggles i made a paladin squad, kept it relatively how i would want and it cost 860.

[sakura_ninja]

just for giggles i made a paladin squad, kept it relatively how i would want and it cost 860.

And you have a 2+/5+ not a 3+, so in theory its not broken

[Darnok]

If people would stop trolling the troll, and report stuff instead, we could have handled this much earlier. Better late than never...

Thread closed.


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