Was FW on the right track?

[AlphariusOmegon20]

It occurred to me this morning FW might have been on the right track when they put out the VC Wight King BSB model and that they should continue with that plan, completing BSB models for ALL the races that do not have BSB models.

This would be:

Beastmen
the 4 Daemon types
Dark Elves
Goblins
Ogres
the 4 clans of Skaven ( or at least a generic skaven one)
The 4 Warrior Marks ( also at the least one generic one, but all 4 would be nice)


What say you? Should FW finish filling this gaping hole in character models, especially since it's such an important part of every army? or Should GW finally step up to the plate and finish it themselves?

[Scalebug]

Doubt they would actively farm out to Forgeworld to "fill gaps" in lines, it was more that these kinds of single miniatures lends themselves well to Forge world releases between books, so to speak. They don't have to be "part of" something like a campaign-book, and are aimed for collectors and/or people who like a bit of a different model in their army, but don't want to spend the admittedly huge amount you'd pay for an entire army.

Money is on the plan being doing these two-model plastic boxes, general and battle standard, as are done for the Empire and Orcs, eventually for all armies.

[ArtificerArmour]

Little bit of both actually.

The general / bsb boxes didn't sell to well actually, which is why they never went back for the other armies. I don;t understand why they don't make more BSB figures, there's definate demand. However, that said, people should embrace the hobby a bit more and make them themselves!

There is demand, however, and if GW or FW do not make them, well, there are plenty of companies who will.

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/inde...nl_cha_013_000

That's an utterly fantastic figure, fitting the nice the skaven needs perfectly. It's all lost trade for GW.

[Tarliyn]

I more just wish FW would spread the love a bit. Tomb Kings, Lizardmen, heck even brets have a lot of room for cool FW models.


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[Urgat]

Little bit of both actually.

The general / bsb boxes didn't sell to well actually, which is why they never went back for the other armies. I don;t understand why they don't make more BSB figures, there's definate demand. However, that said, people should embrace the hobby a bit more and make them themselves!

There is demand, however, and if GW or FW do not make them, well, there are plenty of companies who will.

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/inde...nl_cha_013_000

That's an utterly fantastic figure, fitting the nice the skaven needs perfectly. It's all lost trade for GW.

Tastes aside, I can hardly picture this one as a BSB though... it's little more than a flag, really, not the great standard supposed to represent a whole army.

[ArtificerArmour]

It's not just the flag, it's the whole model itself.

[Plexi]

A BSB should be one of the centerpieces of your particular army. That being said I always felt that a BSB should be a personal conversion to show the mood of the general. It's sad to see the hobby part of this hobby slowly dying off. When people see any sort of conversion anymore they are so amazed at how someone could/ would do that, but I always felt that converting minis was the intention from the first time a saw a shield that had to be glued on. I see FW as a model studio that does your conversion work for you.

[AlphariusOmegon20]

What boggles me personally about it is GW has put out these models before, in the case of the army boxes. Those same OOP BSB models now go for $100 a pop now on eBay, and people pay that for them, so there is a market for such models. Why GW themselves hasn't jumped on that is staggering, especially with the plethora of plastic Character models they've put out in the last year, and that FW hasn't is somewhat curious.

I have to wonder why this particular oversight has not been addressed as of yet.

[Private_SeeD]

Again it's a case of GW seemingly oblivious to the fact that there is a genuine need and a money maker for them... had a quick look on that link and some of those models are amazing. I jst converted my own empire BSB but if I was still actively playing with my DE I would have ordered

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/inde...nl_cha_012_000

I know some people get angry over companies like these but GW are making a rod for its own back, when not releasing models but that's just my opinion.

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[Darnok]

It's not like one could take one of the standard bearers and convert it into a BSB. I rarely see the need for a dedicated BSB model, even though it sometimes is a nice addition to the range. But more often, GW comes up with some seriously ugly models for these.

[AlphariusOmegon20]

Again it's a case of GW seemingly oblivious to the fact that there is a genuine need and a money maker for them... had a quick look on that link and some of those models are amazing. I jst converted my own empire BSB but if I was still actively playing with my DE I would have ordered

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/inde...nl_cha_012_000

I know some people get angry over companies like these but GW are making a rod for its own back, when not releasing models but that's just my opinion.

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The Beastmen ones and the Dark Elf one are nice, but the Skaven one, as well as a few others, didn't suit my taste, TBH.

Especially the Skaven one. Yuck, that sculpt is horrid.

[Voodoo1]

Some people like me, don't have an artistic bone in their body. I can't paint worth of crap, let alone convert models.. Having a unique model such as a BSB would be cool.

I like collecting and playing the hobby, just not painting and converting!

[Halbeard]

If you think you see less conversions its probably because GW stoped selling bits, at least they don't sell it in the same scale as they used to. It's harder to try to find certain parts that goes well with other parts since you 1. Have to buy a whole model or a kit and 2. Some of the Sprues don't show on the website anylonger. Atleast I think is good to know what parts you can add from another kit. Then it's no match to build your own BSB.

[eron12]

If you think you see less conversions its probably because GW stoped selling bits, at least they don't sell it in the same scale as they used to. It's harder to try to find certain parts that goes well with other parts since you 1. Have to buy a whole model or a kit and 2. Some of the Sprues don't show on the website anylonger. Atleast I think is good to know what parts you can add from another kit. Then it's no match to build your own BSB.

GW may have stopped selling bits, but there are plenty of people out there who still do. And not only that, they sell bits for ar cheaper than GW.

[Urgat]

It's not just the flag, it's the whole model itself.

Well, for the whole model itself, I preferred to comment it out by pointing out that tastes differ

[Private_SeeD]

My only question is do you think ppl would casue a fuse over using such models? for my current empire army I need one maybe two mages to represent my lvl 4 and lvl 2 and a Truthsayer, when I play SoM. Before this thread and anther one I hadn't looked at other modelling companies but after have a look i'm really tempted to out source the models and maybe future ones, now to those people who might have already done this have you had ppl get on their high horse when you've been using other company models? and for the record I don't plan on swapping whole armies, I'm looking for the hero/lord model

[FashaTheDog]

Forge World has always been a sculpt whatever we really feel like group; just look at the Tau Manta. So to see random models pop up is unsurprising as the sculptors bring out a neat Wight BSB for no reason other than he felt like it, rather than an effort to fill gaps in the model range. Of course they do have projects that have a more unified theme, like the Death Korps of Krieg line or the Chaos Dwarf army, but a great deal of it still comes down to whim. At least this is what I've been told by numerous sources, including a couple of their sculptors.

When I started conversions were mandatory as much of the 40K stuff and even a bunch of things in the bestiary needed models Games Workshop had not yet gotten to making. For those people who think that because they can't paint and are not particularly artistic that they can not make nice conversions, I highly encourage you to try; it is far easier than you think. With many plastic kits being interchangeable you can easily just mix and match to build cool unique models. Even if you need to cut here and there, it would not be too hard to take the Chaos Warrior Exalted Hero (th one with the pair of axes) and give him say the banner from the Space Wolf Grey Hunter with Wolf Standard to make a BSB. I can't paint well at all, but I can at least have a bunch of nice converted minis through swaps and only minor effort.