so my friend claims that he can use psychic powers on his vehicles (fortune, guide, ect) because in the power description it says any Eldar unit. So I was wondering if he is right.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
so my friend claims that he can use psychic powers on his vehicles (fortune, guide, ect) because in the power description it says any Eldar unit. So I was wondering if he is right.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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As you point out, it says any Eldar unit, so vehicles would be eligible recipients for Guide or Fortune. Note how Doom specifies non-vehicle enemy units - they would also have said non-vehicle for Guide and Fortune if they didn't want the vehicles to potentially benefit.
right. thank you
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Guiding warwalkers against Doomed enemies is a normal tactic for Eldar players.
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And just for Clarification, p3 BRB. Models & Units. here you will find your definitions incase it comes up again with someone new.
I'll think of something appropriate soon enough to put here.
Is this still legal after the BRB FAQ? Since you may not use Powers from within Vehicles?
Where did you get this? What is says is that you may not target units inside a transport, unless the psyker is also inside the transport. it also limits PSA's to transports with a fire point. It also mentions that powers can be used to target units outside the transport, measuring from the hull. LOS and PSAs require a fire point as noted.Originally Posted by Changer
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That is not what the FAQ actually says. The FAQ you are referring to says that you cannot use special rules or wargear, it says nothing about psychic powers.
Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its fire
points to draw line of sight to a unit to use special
rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66)
A: No.
In addition, there is another FAQ that specifcally allows you to use non-shooting psychic powers requiring LOS from a firing point.
Q: Can a model use a psychic power that is not a
Psychic Shooting Attack if it is embarked in a transport
vehicle? (p50)
A: Yes. If the power requires line of sight, this is still
worked out from the vehicle’s fire points (this will
count as one model shooting through that fire point if
the power is used in the Shooting phase).
If the psychic power does not require line of sight and
has a range or an area of effect that is normally
measured from the model using it, these are measured
from the vehicle’s hull, as explained in the Embarking
section on page 66.
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If Doom could be used on a vehicle, it still wouldn't do anything, as you cannot roll to-wound against them. In previous editions, Fortune had no effect on vehicles, on account of vehicles having no saves. Now that vehicles can get cover saves, Fortune can be quite useful on them.
True but for one exception, if I recall correctly. If you were using the old (pre-Apocalypse) Nightwing from the softback Imperial Armour 2 (vehicles for Orks, Eldar and Dark Eldar) I believe the Nightwing had a save (Invulnerable, if I recall correctly). Of course, with Apocalypse the Nightwing's been changed so that it follows the Eldar Titan Holofield rules and just discards the hit on a die roll instead of having it be a save, but gains an obscured cover save if moving fast enough with 5th edition.
This, of course, is the exception that proves the rule. And, getting back to Doom from the Fortune digression, they wisely put in the part about non-vehicle unit precisely to avoid debates about whether Doom works on vehicle penetration rolls. (For some reason, it wouldn't surprise me if this changes with the next Eldar Codex, but that's just a gut feeling.) I just pointed out Doom because of the explicit phrase there where it didn't exist for the other powers.
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Side complaint on Fortune with the new FAQs showing that they take away as much as they give - it used to be that Fortunes and/or Guide could be cast on an Eldar unit in a Falcon or Wave Serpent by a Farseer outside (say, my jetbike-riding Farseer). Now, with this year's FAQ, you can't cast it on the people inside despite not needing line of sight *sigh*).
Please note that as there are no firing ports on any eldar transport, this is rather a moot point.
Also, it is my understanding from the first FAQ entry that all bubble effects originating from a unit or character within a transport cease to work while they are embarked - meaning no Psychic Hoods, Chalices of Blood, Command Auras, or Runes of Warding - until they disembark.
It's not a moot point at all. The latter part of the relevant FAQ said
"If the psychic power does not require line of sight and
has a range or an area of effect that is normally
measured from the model using it, these are measured
from the vehicle’s hull, as explained in the Embarking
section on page 66."
As Eldar powers are stated to not require line of sight unless specifically stated, this FAQ clarifies that you can use them from a vehicle, even without firing ports.
None of the effects you've mentioned require LoS, so they still work fine.
Yes, the first FAQ mentiones fire points not being usable, not abilities.The second FAQ mentiones abilities not requiring LOS, as are all the ones you mentioned.
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