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    Does this look like snow at all?

    I just mizzed pva and baking soda into a wall paper like paste and shoveled it on.

    I need I need lots of input here...

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    I don't like the rounded edge I circled in the attachment, but other than that I think it looks fine.

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    No - theres not enough coverage and the bit at the front doesn't make sense (the bit going up the side of the rock).

    Its a tricky thing to get right though. Mrs Addams does a similar thing, then adds some baking soda over the top to give it a fluffier look.
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    I agree with Gomez - the material itself "looks like" snow, but the application needs refinement for it to look like snow fall, if you get what I mean...
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    It looks like shaving cream the way it is rounded if you look at snow drifts the way slope upward try to get it to blend up from the ground

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by sugnathefeeble View Post
    It looks like shaving cream the way it is rounded if you look at snow drifts the way slope upward try to get it to blend up from the ground
    Unfortunately I have to agree. Why not just use some of the many products out there that are already made for snow?
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Bah to you all! It' looks fine. The only 'off' thing about it is the snow blob on the right just doesn't match with the other two on the base. Such formations can happen in nature, plenty (just browse through http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...VXiYTwBOSajKMK and you'll see'm). It's just usualy seen with other like formations, not solo with patches of normal clingy/flat snow.
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Blobs like that tend to be snow stacked up on top of steep-sided objects, though, like this example from that google search. And it still has that 'fluffy' texture. As in: not wet and smeared like wallpaper paste, shaving cream, or used toothpaste.

    Sorry Maskedman.

    I don't think you need to go out and get a commercial snow product, though. Not yet. Try using more baking soda with less PVA for a slightly thicker, crumblier mix. Experiment a bit. And as Gomez says, sprinkle a bit more soda on top once you've placed it.

    As for placement, here's another google image search that might be good for research: snow on rocks. For stepped rocks, these might be especially relevant: 1 2 3 4
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Verm1s answer hits the nail on the head. The mixture does look like snow, but needs to be applied to the base with more attention to how snow actually forms in nature for it to seem truly natural.

    I'd also observe that, if you just mix PVA and baking soda, the mixture will gradually turn yellow once dry. I add a small amount of white paint to the mix, which helps it to retain its fresh, white colour. You can also apply the same mixture more sparsely to achieve a more even coverage of the ground. Study more pictures of snowy landscapes to see how snow actually gathers, drifts and settles.

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    It's a great primer for snow-flock but it looks nothing like snow. There's quality snow flock available in lots of hobby stores and GW produces it as well.

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    The material looks great and much more like snow than any snow flock I've seen (at this scale snow certasinly shouldn't appear fluffy) but you need to practice applying it. Once you get the hang on putting it in realistic places it will look excellent.

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Devourer View Post
    (at this scale snow certasinly shouldn't appear fluffy)
    I'd beg to differ. The absence of 'fluffiness' and smallest texture might be debatable (very debatable), and I'd argue that some might be needed anyway to enhance the effect. There are a few things done at this scale, that are out of scale, to enhance the effect.
    It gets back to the fact that snow is a loosely-packed solid lying on top of objects, not a congealed semi-liquid oozing around them. That's what the smoothness (and flow) in Maskedman's first attempt suggests to me.
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    I can apreciate that it is exagerated for effect but being realistic you should not be able to see any fluffiness on 28mm scale snow. At most the fluffiness would translate to a rough appearance. Consider the size of the individual snow flakes relative to your body then look at a 28mm. The fluffiness is no where near as large as your fingernail and that certainly isn't on the average 28mm model. The images you gave are deceptive since they have a very high resolution. While it may be possible that you could see the fluffiness of snow on a model this size modeling it isn't going to be easy as snow flock is far too large.

    I think the oozing look is wrong however that is caused by incorect application rather than using the wrong material. If Maskedman made the paste thicker it would be much easier to lay it down without it running. As to the required to exagerate it, that comes down to personal tastes. I find that fluffy snow is a good quick way of suggesting snow and looks better than poorly done realistic snow, however when done well I find solid snow much better as it looks like real snow as opposed to white fluff.

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Maybe I will just go for a barren wasteland with dead grasses/shrubs approach...lol. F you snow.
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    it seems silicone, not snow.
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Sprinkle some baking soda over it while it's still wet, so you get some grain in the surface. After it's dry, gently apply clear varnish.

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by prowla View Post
    Sprinkle some baking soda over it while it's still wet, so you get some grain in the surface. After it's dry, gently apply clear varnish.
    I used baking soda on this tester piece....
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    The verge was built up then some GW snow for thickness but only on the verge and the whole thing was painted with very thin PVA and baking soda sprinkled on. The snow on the road area the men are on is baking soda only.
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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wil Grand View Post
    I used baking soda on this tester piece....
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    The verge was built up then some GW snow for thickness but only on the verge and the whole thing was painted with very thin PVA and baking soda sprinkled on. The snow on the road area the men are on is baking soda only.
    I appreciate that youy actualy replied with an example; the basing on your miniatures is exactly what I hope to achieve.

    I did get some Army Painter basing supplies- below is what one of my chaos knights looks like right now.

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    Re: Does this look like snow at all?

    No problem at all.
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