Legaility of bits build tyranid fleet ?

[thassias]

Hi There

As the title says , I was wondering about the legaility ( rules wise ) of use on a custom built tyranid fleet, using all gw models / parts. Would there be major issues using it with / without consent, I know the Kraken has to be built as no model is available, but as there are models for the other ships I thought I would ask the question.

Thanks in advance

[AndrewGPaul]

Legality? Well, you won't get arrested for it. As to being allowed to use it, that would depend on your opponent, and if you're playing in an organised event, the organisers.

I don't think it's ever been a general rule in any GW game that you have to use the currently-available official Citadel Miniature for whatever unit you're fielding (certainly, they've never had any problems showing conversions and scratch-builds in White Dwarf and on their website). From that point of view, I don't think "legality" comes into it at all.

The use of parts from GW or anywhere else probably wouldn't be relevant, either.

[thassias]

Sorry I did mean legaility rules wise yes, not law wise. What I was getting at is whether it's worth spending time to convert a full fleet, if if that would just get me turned away from tables. In which case it would make more sence to just see what I could do witht he existing models.

[horizon]

If you tell before to your friend/group/tournament what each ship represents all is fine. Cruiser & Hiveships will be obvious due size.
It is only escorts you need to attend.
Keep a distuingished style to all variants and you'll be fine.

[AndrewGPaul]

I doubt you'll get a useful answer here. All you'll get is what various individuals around the world will put up with. If, by coincidence, one of those individuals is the people you play against or will be playing against in future, that's good. otherwise, not so much.

[sunnyside]

To be clear most (probably all) official GW tournaments, even many rogue trader ones, require that the models be GW (or forgeworld) minis.

However conversions (turning one thing into another) are fine and actually generally encourage.

However both tournament rules and common sportsmanship require what you make to be clear and WYSIWIG. An opponent should pretty much be able to look at your fleet and know what you've got and what they're armed with. Maybe with just one or two clarifications they'll be able to remember.


In the case of tyranids, I'd expect size to make it clear what is a hive ship and what is a cruiser. You might have to clarify what is a vanguard and what is an escort drone, but in all cases the weapons they're armed with should be clear.

What are you planning to convert from? Regular 40K nids?

[thassias]

I'm not sure yet, I'm toying round with 3 possibilities atm.

1 ) Use the existing line, and use the 2 escorts there are now to do a "cut and shut" for a kraken, with some flesh hooks or lash whips ( to make feeding tentacle kraken )
2) Remodel the lot from tyranid bits
3) Use part or all of the original spacefleet tyranid line ( didnt last long, was later remade into bfg as far as I know ). Particularly the Ramsmiter kraken (obviously to fill the roll of tentacle Kraken ).

Cheers

[horizon]

....or look here....
http://sg.tacticalwargames.net/forum...1.msg33953#new

[thassias]

I just tried a few times but all I'm getting is a "google chrome could not connect to www.tacticalwargames.net" message

Tried to enter the fourms from google search aswel, but for some reason it wont let me in

edit
Scratch that, it's up and working

[afterimagedan]

$60 or so will get you a brood of Hormagaunts and a brood of Termagants which will give you ******* tons of kraken and drones using the method I use to make them (shown HERE).

The Hive ships for GW are pretty nice looking so you would pick 1-2 up or make your own from scratch or carnifex models.

A gentlemen used a completely converted Tyranid fleet at Adepticon. I'd say that's about as close to official as we are going to get; I don't know what you are talking about, AndrewGPaul...

[thassias]

Thanks for the input, though I am very tempted to stick with the gm mini's and adapt where needed , at least for the most part ( being as I do like them ), ive got a few ideas for kraken now, I found an image in one fo the old bfg magazines ( giant squidish ), and some info on the net from gw books ( manta rayish ) about their supposed appearance, and have been on bitsandkits.co.uk looking for parts last day or so . Based on that i did find 2 items on the gw site, tyranid spore mines for feeder kraken ( but their too small ) and screamers of tzeentch for claw kraken ( but their too big ).

Though I would appreciate some input now on 2 lists ive put together , 750 point to get the ball rolling and 150 to be the end game. I havent been too sure on the weapons on some, so have tryed to find info on the net and have gone with that.

750


1 hive ship, ld9, pyro acid battery, launch bay, launch bay
1 cruiser, massive claws, massive claws
6 escort drones, bio plasma
1 vanguard, feeder tantacles
1 vanguard, feeder tentacles
3 kraken, massive claws
3 kraken, bio plasma




1500

1 reroll
1 hive ship, ld9, pyro acid battery, launch bay, launch bay, launch bay, launch bay
1 hive ship, pyro acid battery , pyro acid battery, launch bay, launch bay
1 cruiser, massive claws, massive claws
6 escort drones, bio plasma
6 escort drones, bio plasma
1 vanguard, feeder tentacles
1 vanguard, feeder tentacles
5 kraken, massive claws
5 kraken, bio plasma
5 kraken, feeder tentacles

Though I have been tempted to skip the bio plasma on the kraken, in favour of more claws / tentacles / pyro acid, just to ensure I have no issues with 2010 faq not being in use.

Thanks for any info

[Cambion Daystar]

Just go for the scratchbuild. Very characterfull for tyranids :-). There is only 1 condition if you want to use them: POST PICTURES HERE!!!

[unknown_lifeform]

I'd just like to say I've never even seen a tyranid fleet using any of the official GW models, so its news to me that there could possibly be any problem with it. All the fleets I've seen have been kitbashed from tyranid parts, scratch built using sea shells or models from alternative producers. Obviously GW run tounis don't allow use of other companies models though.

I honestly can't see anyone having any problems as long as you have a consistent and clear style for each class, models are of approximately correct size and they are correctly based.

[afterimagedan]

In your list (I am talking about the 1500pt list), I would consider changing the hives to both having 2 pyroacid batteries on the front. Launch capacity 12 with double launch capacity is quite enough in my opinion. Are the vanguards going to be buried in the other close combat kraken units? That is what I would do to protect them and utilize their targeting ability. A second thought, I would make at least one of your drone units into pyroacid, probably both. Your secret weapon is your bio-plasma kraken. Lock those suckers on and blast some poor cruiser and see what happens.