Not that the opposite was implied by the question.
Not that the opposite was implied by the question.
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Codex Imperialis (2nd ed) actually implied that space marines inherit a (small) degree of their Primarchs' warp-enhanced strength.
edit: oh and in 40k Xavier would be in a dread' :P
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Please folks lets not forget the old saying:
"kill the mutant! burn the heretic! purge the unclean!"
I think Wolverine and co is considered mutants? I wouldnt want to be them if the space marines show up, even if they managed to kill of the vanguard the SM would rather conduct and extermintus than let such powerful mutants get away, and i doubt even Jean Grey could hold that back for long.
Jokes aside no Space Marines arent based on Captain america, i dont think the comic captain america was very common in the UK when the space marines were created.
In fact i've never seen it anywhere in europe, its nearly seen as much as a joke as Thor is here in sweden, suprisngly good movie though (Captain America that is the Thor movie was even worse than i thought it was, if Bifrost ended up in nevada why are the norse gods worshipped in northern europe? Why did Thor suddenly go from spoiled and prideful to all noble and stuff? The earlier behaviours was just being upset about not getting laid or what?).
I'm not suggesting she lifted a car over her head and threw it... and it's not really the adrenaline, as I'm sure you know it's the musculature pulling properly. Human muscles only use a fraction of their strength at any time. When your arms are tired lifting weight they shake. That's different motor groups in the muscles firing off in turn to maintain power without straining too much. In an emergency your body can pull with all the muscle groups in which case you get some superhuman strength. The reason we usually can't do this is that you risk pulling your muscles off your bones and the body won't let you. One of the fastest wide receivers at my high school escaped the police on foot running down a road they were following him in cars down. He had to be running over 20 mph and he's no Usain Bolt. People are physically capable of reaching around 40mph. Humans "in the wild" would be able to hold their own with African fauna.
You're talking about inhibition of the Golgi Tendon!
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The dismaying part is that you have a concept that you can't figure out anything to do with. It is like saying that phlogiston is a worthless idea because the modern understanding of combustion has better explanatory power. Hey: that just means that it has less explanatory power; it has some power, just not as much. It's possible to talk intelligibly about phlogiston, and to use it in a chemical equation as the negative of some number of oxygens.
When you read the word soul, you know what it means, even if you think it is an outmoded concept.
Yeah, it reflects the actions and potency of an individual. It is affected by events in the materium, so that when a person contacts suffering or greed his soul may respond, and when he becomes stronger or weaker, his soul reflects strength or weakness. When a soul is pumped full of energy, it can correlate with an improvement in physical or mental ability, or it can burst out in unnatural psychic display. Except for the last case, the warp does not actually have to exist.In 40k however the soul is the warp reflection of the individual, it is the reflection of the energy an individual expresses reflected in a realm of pure energy.
Eldar are long lived, physically superior to humans, and their souls are strong. Tau have natural life spans shorter than humans', they can only do the jobs they are born into, and their souls are feeble. A person's soul is what he is, so adding to his body adds to his soul. Grafting organs with another person's genes onto a person's body, to the extent that a space marine is completely different from the person he would have been without those organs, means his life and his soul, whatever life he would have led on Fenris or Deliverance, are effectively overwritten by the significance of those organs. The space marine is an armature that holds up an occulobe and a biscopea, a substrate for the power of marine zygotes to make their mark in the world. A primarch's dna is doing the work, the aspirant is an amenuensis for a greater man.
Xavier wasn't born paralysed, but in 40k they could give him a pair of bionics for that, so he'd either be a crazy powerful liberian or be working for one of the ordo's like Ravenor, but the others would have issues when their being selected cause all recruits get screened and I'm sure they'd pick up on their DNA anomalies. Going back to the OP I think Cap A would have of a SM scout minus all the other crazy organs
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By this argument you are just an organic sockpuppet controlled by your ancestors.
As such I can understand that you might not grasp that nowhere in the canon has it ever been stated that "pumping up" a soul makes the person more physically capable, there's plenty of examples of the warp being used to directly bolster perople mentally of physically but that's by effecting their real-space selves or affecting their soul/reflection in complex and inherently unsustainable ways (just look at what happened to the emperor when he stopped being able to sustain his 38,000 year old biomantic enhancement) not by simply placing more energy into their soul.
What you describe is more like plugging someones brain into an electrical main to incease their brainpower using the reasoning "it's electric too."
Askil the Undecided, can you edit/rephrase that. My comprehension skills are really struggling. I can't read the middle paragraph/sentence.
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He does the same thing in the comics.
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Xavier is already in warhammer 40k...
But he goes by an alias... Gideon Ravenor....
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I took the kirby statements from earlier as a joke to be honest and I'm sure others did the same (honestly its nice to have someone give kirby some credit instead of just stan lee).
As for the car example its a bit more complicated than that. Col. Tarleton's example was pulling a car off of someone, and while the whole car weights 2k, lifting a corner or pulling/pushing the vehicle would require a lot less strength.
To an extent, I guess when I think of movie cap it isn't just avengers, its his movie as well. For me what makes movie cap stronger than comic cap is when he jumps across the building in his movie, which comic cap wouldn't have been capable of, granted I mainly stick with Brubakers run, so I could see other Authors having a different ideal of his power level.
I'll give you that. Brubaker is the reason I like Cap these days.
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Pfft. Captain America is an ideal few space marines can actually aspire to. Indoctrinated killing machines are basically what being an Astartes is all about. Even Dante and Calgar, such is their nobility would struggle to replicate the heroics or Cap.
And I'd love to see a marine try to lift Thor's Hammer by himself!
He also somehow managies to be a bigger mary sue and a lamer piece of fiction than any marine (and this includes the smurfs) can even aspire to be.
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Exactly a lot of people are probably thinking that the woman would suddenly have superhuman strength or something like that and be able to flip the car over.
Nothing could be further from the truth as you said pushing and pulling a car requires a lot less strength and nobody says you have to flip a car over, to get a person trapped underneath out.
Just lifting it a few centimeters up can usually be more than enough to get the trapped person out and that short adrenaline boost should be more than enough for such a feat.
Another thing adrenaline can also do is block of your pain receptors in your brain for a short time at least; there are several stories of mountaineers (amongst others) who suffers a horrible accident however at the time of the accident they felt no pain.
Not until they were safe and within reach of medical help, did the pain start.
Our body isnīt stupid, it knows well enough that if it instantly hits you with the agonizing pain you should be feeling right now, you probably wonīt be able to get yourself to safety and you would most likely die (something the body has no interest in).
Actually while we on the topic I believe that it was one of these mechanisms that prompted Fabius Bile to start experimenting on his legion brothers.
As for Wolverine i think the Space Wolves might make an exception him, remember the Fenrisians themselves arenīt completely human (or so it is hinted at in Thousand Sons, that the first settlers of Fenris got a little TOO friendly with gene modification) and Wolverine do shear alot of features similar to that of the Space wolves, including a rather bestial nature though his claws might prove a bit of a difference.
While i remember i think Archangel might be considered for application in the Blood Angels as his only mutation is the same as the Primarchs (he got wings and thatīs it) and he isnīt exactly the first of the Blood Angels to grow wings....though in retrospect, that little incident didnīt turn out that well in the end all things considered.
Fair enough. Seems a bit beyond human ability, at least at that size, but oh well.
He's a bit beyond what we'd think reasonable for an exceptional human
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