2000 pts ogre kingdoms friendly - input plz

[HazMat]

Fantasy Army: OK

So this is what I was planning on running against some friends, any input would be nice. My friends will be running Brutonians, Warriors of chaos, and Lizardmen.

Slautermaster - Gen., lev 4, relic sword, armour of silvered steel, talisman of preservation, ironfist (388 pts)

Bragg the Gutsman (210 pts)

Butcher - lev 2, armour of destiny, ironfist (188 pts)

in units of 6
2x Ironguts (256 pts/unit)
1x ogres (180 pts)
2x Leadbelchers (258 pts/unit)

total pts - 1998

[madival]

I would say a Bsb is more needed then the butcher. Your units are expensive and if any of them die, it is a massive loss for the army. Also, with an average of 7 dice, you can barely make full use of your level 4 casting on 2-3 dice.

[HazMat]

ok, thx. I'll mess with it some more then.

[Greatgut]

I'd advise that Bragg is not worth the points, he is overpriced for what he can do. Not much better than a bruiser but costs a lot more, heroic killing blow in challenges will not be useful all too often, especially when he has little in the way of armour.

I agree that a BSB is vital for most ogre armies, I wouldn't leave home without one.

[HazMat]

So this is my revised list:

Slautermaster - Gen., relic sword, armour of silvered steel, talisman of preservation, ironfist (353 pts)

Bragg the Gutsman (210 pts)

Butcher - ironfist (103 pts [I think these pts are right])

in units of 6
2x Ironguts - gutlord/unit, SB with look out gnoblar/unit, 1 magic banner: war banner (318 and 283 pts)
1x ogres - crusher, SB with look out gnoblar (217 pts)
2x Leadbelchers (258 pts/unit)

OR

I can replace the butch with 2 units of 20 gnoblars