Warhammer Historical is gone

[nurgleallan]

Is there any chance of some the old WH army lists being converted to CoE format? I had abandoned WAB already for the most part but still used it for smaller games which neither Hail Caesar! or CoE were as useful for.

[Codsticker]

I am not aware of any direct conversions. There may be somewhere, on some remote blog, somebody who has put the time in but that may be something that you will have to work out yourself.

[Crazy Harborc]

IMHO, my long time opponents and I had finally gotten our hands on a copy of WAB2. We had played a few games using the (full of mistakes) armies listed inside the WAB2 rulebook.

We decided (finally) to try out the Warhammer ECW rules. Heck, we even have copies of the errata for it. We are having a good time with the WECW rules.

Hopefully, the mess caused by "the company" will be bypassed by gamers who have been using the rules sets, BUYING those rules sets, supporting the products, using them at cons....(many in the USA too).

IMHO, this whole bit has shown me a LOT about what "the company" cares about. It is a shame the loyal customers are not part of what matters at "the compnay".

Darn glad a growing number of companies are aiming at supporting the customers and providing what we gamers want instead of just what makes the most money today the heck with next week, month or years in the future. BA phoey

[nzdarkelf]

Is there any chance of some the old WH army lists being converted to CoE format? I had abandoned WAB already for the most part but still used it for smaller games which neither Hail Caesar! or CoE were as useful for.

I recently bought War and Conquest. The WAB army lists will easily convert over as WC uses the same states - just have different names for them. It is a slightly different game to WAB, but I think the differences are refreshing.

[Havock]

How do I go about getting a copy of Kampfgruppe Normandy now?

I am fairly sure it can be found on the internet.

Second hand, of course

[Codsticker]

Another stroke in W&C's favour is that MDS is offering a special right now: the rule book and 50 figure unit for 45 GBP.

[Badbones777]

I only noticed that WH was gone a couple of days ago and it was very disappointing. As someone who owns all but one of the WAB supplements, and on top of that Trafalgar and the WW1 books,
I must say I loved the range. To see it go under is sad.
While I take on board the points others have raised about it being probably a miracle it lasted as long as it did, I still find it a rather bitter pill to swallow that they have no intention of selling on the IP/rights.
If it's not making money and doesn't fit in with the plans of the top bods at the company then to an extent I would say fair enough, I may not totally agree with he decision but there it is. However sitting on
a decent rules set with about as good a player base as can be found in the niche it occupies and refusing to do anything with it (or allow others to pick it up) just seems such a waste. One only has to look at
what FFG have done with 40k RPG's to see that people can take the things GW has given up on and make a workable line of products.

That said, my WAB books aren't going anywhere, I can still use them whenever my group get together for a game! I guess with things like this one just has to be stoic and chalk it up to experience. WAB had a good run
given how quickly the company owning it usually dump their sidelines (even when they remain reasonably popular) and Blood Bowl and Necromunda are in pretty good shape still after all these years, so who knows, maybe WAB can
enjoy a life beyond GW via yahoo forums and homebrew supplements! And besides I also have the Warlord games lines and I've just splashed out on CoE's offer. Between that lot and Dystopian wars and Malifaux (as well as the dreaded
2 Core GW systems!) there's plenty of gaming to be had.

It's hard not to be really disappointed though

[Crazy Harborc]

IMHO, FW/GW are hoping players will just switch to another FW or GW rules system. It is also possible that they are just playing it safe....JUST in case the suits decide to start back up again in the future.

[redben]

The big difference with licensing WAB and an rpg is the former puts GW in competition with itself whereas the latter doesn't.

[mdauben]

IMHO, FW/GW are hoping players will just switch to another FW or GW rules system. It is also possible that they are just playing it safe....JUST in case the suits decide to start back up again in the future.

Personally, I think that's a foolish expectations. I would expect that a lot of WHH fans are also fans of GW's core systems, but IMHO I would expect that even so, the money and time they spent of WHH are more likely to be lost entirely to other historical rules publishers than fed back into WHF/WH40K. It seems that most of the discussions of the death of WHH I have seen have included discussions of alternate rules systems to replace WHH, not how people are just going back to WHF/WH40K. I know that's how my time and money will be budgeted.

[Badbones777]

The big difference with licensing WAB and an rpg is the former puts GW in competition with itself whereas the latter doesn't.

Oh no doubt, it's just hugely frustrating that theres a pretty good system sitting there that will in all probability never be officially supported again. It doesn't really effect me too much
as there are other historical systems and as I said, I am fortunate that I own pretty much everything done by WH. Just said to see the first historical system I gave a proper try bow out.

[ZeroTwentythree]

and Blood Bowl and Necromunda are in pretty good shape still after all these years, so who knows, maybe WAB can
enjoy a life beyond GW via yahoo forums and homebrew supplements! And besides I also have the Warlord games lines and I've just splashed out on CoE's offer. Between that lot and Dystopian wars and Malifaux (as well as the dreaded
2 Core GW systems!) there's plenty of gaming to be had.

Well, that's just it. Whereas Bloodbowl and Necromunda are fairly unique, there's plenty of competing ancients games. On top of that, the homebrewed lists previously proposed/published on the WABlist or WAB forum have never really gained popular acceptance. The long silence of WH in regard to WAB already lost them a lot of players, and even more have drifted off already as well. I think it is a dying game. Like you, I have most of the books I wanted. So I can play when possible. But since I didn't get the new AoA2 in the brief time it was offered, my options are also limited. But otherwise, I'm trying out some new games, revisiting other old ones, etc. No need to be stuck to a single system when historical figures work with any rules.

[Crazy Harborc]

ZeroTwentythree

Rumor has it that some gamers might, for their own use, not for sale, do some "house rules" adapting of WAB2 or whatever.

Oh I know GW has all kinds of "copy rights" for all their WAB versions and lawyers to protect the rules from use, improper use that is.

My longtime opponents and I just got a copy of WAB2 about a month before WAB2 crashed and burned with the rest of the rules sets at GW's FW.

[yabbadabba]

We have to remember that WHH is not the be all and end all. I think its major attractions are its 28mm and it was based on WFB, but in terms of Ancients Games they come and go all the time. I remember the dominance in the UK of DBA and WRG (15mm) back in the day and you hardly hear a sniff of them now.

As to gamer produced stuff, as long as it is not for profit and is hosted on a non-money making site then GW won't do anything about it. After all there are yahoo groups using the LotR rules and they are far harshly protected than 40K or WFB. You can still find WW2 40K, and while WAB was on sale there were plenty of house rules around. So I look forward to what the community produces.

[Badbones777]

Indeed-all good points, and I am happily in posession of CoE to go with Hail Caesar/BlackPowder/P&S from Warlord as well as my Wab stuff (which I can still play) and a host of others!

I do have somewhere the DBM and all the warmaster ancients stuff as well, so I am not short of stuff to play!

Oh @ZeroTwentyThree I was lucky enough to catch AoA 2, and for my money, it's a decent enough book, but I wouldn't say you are missing much by not having it. In fact some of the lists were a touch disappointing
having literally only 2 or 3 units to pick from-admittedly they were probably pretty accurate, but nothing you couldn't have done yourself really.

@yabbadabba You are of course correct, there are plenty of alternatives and I shall certainly keep an eye on what the community puts out there. I guess you never forget your first though fnarr fnarr!

[Crazy Harborc]

Myself and two regular opponents got our awaited copies of Warlord Games Pike and Shotte rules yesterday. Just getting into the actual "reading" phase of "new rules time".....again.

I am guessing that Warlord Games is selling lots and lots of copies of the rules. I mean availability/access to buying WGs rules are not restricted like availability of the WAB2 rulebook was.