Your thoughts on the SM Stormtalon

[Seved]

It would have been better suited as a drone.

[Haravikk]

I was tempted to get one just to build it without the Assault Cannon for kicks (I buy loads of vehicles just because they're cool, since I only really play Sisters of Battle ), but then I saw the price tag; I can't understand how it can be the same price as the Necron and Ork vehicles, the Ork one especially as it builds a much bigger (and better looking) vehicle. It's hard to gauge from the pictures alone, but the Necron one looks bigger too, and much better in its default configuration.

As I said earlier it'd look fine with the typhoon missile launcher and no assault cannons, but it'd probably require making a piece to cover the gap, but it'd give a better position for the front landing gear.


Ruleswise it's good to see that it has Pinning as an ability, but I don't like how it's implemented. I'd much rather have had it be a property of one of the weapon systems so you can use the effect without being unable to move. At 130 points though it seems to me like you get a lot more mileage out of the Storm Raven, plus the kit's not as bad looking in its standard setup, and only a little over £10 extra.

It does seem a lot like someone at GW decided it had to have two weapon systems and then ensured they were forced on their somehow, resulting in not very interesting rules and an ugly looking model. If they wanted an extra weapon system then a few one-shot missiles would have fit much better.

[LegionX]

First impressions:
I like the way it looks (can't wait to see it in real life), but would look better without those enormous weapons mounts. It does look like GW went "How can we take an Apache helicopter and make it look like a SM vehicle?"...

My main problem with it is that it doesn't seem to fit in with the 40K universe. It looks a bit too high-tech and not at all 'blocky Imperial technology'. The engines even look like they've been 'inspired' by Tau skimmers...

[Brother Nidus]

I Always thought space marines could use more G-Police.

G-Police FTW!


Nidus

[Tay051173096]

Replace the nose cannons with a missle pod then it won't look like the recoil will make parts of it break off... When can chaos have one of these? I'd replace the AC with a reaper AC less bulky.

[Yodhrin]

Having read the blurb on GW's website, it seems that they are, in fact, just completely ignoring their own fluff now, since the Storm Talon is apparently a ground attack aircraft AND an aerial interceptor, which clearly violates the division of military responsibilities laid out in the Codex; those are roles taken by Imperial Navy atmospheric fighter squadrons. They could just about sidestep that point with the Blunderhawk(brilliant, using this one from now on) since it has transport capacity, but not this one. I know it's a bit of an anal-retentive thing to condemn a model based on(note: I also condemn it based on how it looks ), but it annoys the hell out of me.

[Deff Mekz]

I quite like it and will definatley be picking one for my Minotaurs next Saturday. I see it flying in a similar way to the recently discontinued Harrier Jet which I've always loved and admired.

[Liber]

I like it and voted 'cool'. Wasn't so sure but then I saw the 360 views and alt paint schemes. The only reason I don't say 'awesome' is because of the wonky aspect of the turret having the landing gear, it looks a bit off (but how easy would it be to clip off those bits if they bother you?).

[Haravikk]

Having read the blurb on GW's website, it seems that they are, in fact, just completely ignoring their own fluff now, since the Storm Talon is apparently a ground attack aircraft AND an aerial interceptor, which clearly violates the division of military responsibilities laid out in the Codex; those are roles taken by Imperial Navy atmospheric fighter squadrons. They could just about sidestep that point with the Blunderhawk(brilliant, using this one from now on) since it has transport capacity, but not this one. I know it's a bit of an anal-retentive thing to condemn a model based on (note: I also condemn it based on how it looks ), but it annoys the hell out of me.

I don't think it's an unreasonable thing to criticise on; this is why I was hoping it'd have more specialist weapons so it'd be more of a support vehicle in practise, make it more about supporting the Emperor's finest on the ground to complement them, rather than just being a land-speeder x2. I mean, its basic equipment is literally double a land-speeder tornado, and it even has the option of the typhoon missile system, so it really begs the question of it what it adds. Why not just make the Storm Raven available to more chapters (which I'm sure will inevitably happen anyway)?

I can understand the GW higher ups deciding that flyers are automatically cool and everyone must have one, but if it doesn't add anything to the list then it's actually more of a bad thing than a good one, especially when it's incredibly ugly

[totgeboren]

It would be converted to look ok, but that twin-assault cannon weapon pod (with landing gear!) looks totally stupid. Either the assault cannons should be smaller and placed directly in the nose, or they could be mounted on top of the weapon pods at the side, or directly to the sides of the aircraft. A single assault cannon with a small mount like on the Land Speeder would have looked much much better too.

The big pod underneath really destroys the model.

[TimLeeson]

I didnt think it was bad as people said it was when I first saw it, but the more I see it - the more I feel they were right as I dislike it more and more. No loss though, the necrons got the perfect flier I always hoped for.

[MistaGav]

Just been playing Battlefield 3 and seeing the helicopters on there, I couldn't help feel they were going for a look similar to the MH-6 Little Bird helicopter or at least they should have tried to nail that. I am gonna get one though to try and convert it to something similar.

The under the nose gun needs to go, the side guns need to be more of a box and then some proper mounts underneath can be made. Plus it needs to be elongated a bit as it also looks too front heavy.

[Soundwave]

Well you could paint it ultramarines bl..... or blood angels re..... or imperial fist ye...god no.BLACK just black for that slimming stealth appeal.

[xxRavenxx]

I have managed to trick several customers into thinking the whitescars paintjob was actually a Tau vehicle...

It was a boring day

[sakura_ninja]

I don't like it at all sorry, weapon placement is silly, the size is silly, its just dumb.

[Haskear]

I quite like both the SR and ST I think the tail definitely needs to be an inch or so longer as many people have pointed out. The only thing I really don't like is the landing gear on the front turret, that is a rubbish idea and I will be changing that if I decide to purchase one.
For me though, the worst thing in the SM range is the land speeder, I think it looks awful and I much prefer the old lead one and to some extent the rogue trader one, mainly for it's quirky chairlift appearance.

[Chem-Dog]

I Always thought space marines could use more G-Police.

G-Police FTW!


Nidus

THANK YOU. It's really been bugging me why it rang so many bells.
On the same note, I've been wondering if I can make my very own L.A.P.D Futurecop vehicle out of one.

Having read the blurb on GW's website, it seems that they are, in fact, just completely ignoring their own fluff now, since the Storm Talon is apparently a ground attack aircraft AND an aerial interceptor, which clearly violates the division of military responsibilities laid out in the Codex; those are roles taken by Imperial Navy atmospheric fighter squadrons.

Not wanting to be pedantic over a pedantic point BUT, the SM's aren't confined by the Imperium's overall division of military responsibility, they are (and always have been said to be) capable of waging just about every kind of war possible, by themselves. The Codex Astartes specifically dictates the methodology of war for Astartes and only Astartes.


I actually see a lot of potential in the 'Talon and have several conversion ideas for it. The Chin-gun is my only real criticism, it looks naff. Put the lascannons on the angled plates just behind the cockpit and turn the cheek guns into asscans and it'd look much better. IMHO. In all an 8/10.



++++EDIT
Is it me or is Blue is just about the worst colour to show these (or any vehicle) off in?
Both the White Scars and Salamanders versions look much nicer.

[Promethius]

I was initially very unimpressed but it is growing on me. I think that moving the lascannons further back into their housing and revising the assault cannon mount would make it look a hell of a lot better. Therefore I've ordered one from maelstrom; however I am a bit worried that when painted in the yellow and black of the imperial fists it will look like a mildly vexated bumblebee.

[Nubl0]

I feel as if marines were given this just so they could have a flier and not be left out. Not much thought seems to have been put into it and it's kinda been shoe horned in. Also compared to the other 2 I'm not sure how it's "supersonic". That said I might pick one up for the Minotaur army I'm starting because it looks like an adorable chibi gunship. Never really liked any of the SM fliers anyway... not even the thunderhawk, although I will say it's still better than the derpraven.

[Stonerhino]

A quik mochup in paint has me thinking I under voted. It has potential and some simple changes make a huge difference.