So just how much has tin gone up in the last 10 years?Originally Posted by Glemigobles
I came here to read about what new finecast releases are coming. But instead it's people slagging off finecast.
So just how much has tin gone up in the last 10 years?
I came here to read about what new finecast releases are coming. But instead it's people slagging off finecast.
Lol. Come to think of it. When are we expecting the Finecast Dark Elf stuff....?
Now that I`m not getting DE witches I`m thinking of an alternative..
Appart from converting them from DE whyches and smth else there are Blood Vestals from Raging Heroes.
Could you please tell me if they are to scale with GW DE and are the details fine? They seem quite nice from the pics, just want to be sure..
It`s just their faces..
I'm impressed that all of this stuff is getting the finecast overhaul in one month! Even if it's not the ideal material for miniatures, I would hope that they will continue to refine it untill it works better for most people. It seems like once they have the molds created they should be able to use any sort of resin like material they like. Maybe there's something better they can use.
I'm personally ok with finecast, but then again, I don't have anything built and sitting out in the hot California heat currently, so I may change my mind if that happens.
I'll be getting the DE Witches I think. Won't be putting them in massive squads so I guess Finecast will be OK, I'd still prefer everything in plastic (even if I don't mind finecast).
Oh and what is oil my good watson? oh its biological matter that has decayed in an oxygen poor environment. Oil is thus carbon based like all organic matter. And most oils and plastics can be produced directly from plants, it is however more expensive than producing them from raw oil. but seeing how plastics and fuel produced from organic matter that is already in the system is environmentally neutral i think we'll be seeing alot more of that in the future. In fact in the grand scope of things releasign carbon dioxide into the air is a waste of time if it could be used to douse plants with its return to usable forms could be accelerated ( i woudlnt eat them though since there's often small amoutns of other quite nasty gasses like good old Sulfur dioxide)
So basically your argument seems to be that since Finecast is made from a far more readily available and therefore cheaper material than metals, then Finecast should be a far cheaper alternative. Okay...agree 100%.
So why do they raise the prices so dramatically when they come out with the Finecast alternatives for models that already exist in metal?
It's simple, incredibly: there are enough people willing to pay for them. That's the part I find mindbogglingly frustrating, because if enough people are willing to pay GW's insane price increases for a model that by all rights should be CHEAPER (after all, these are all models that have been out for awhile so they should have long ago recouped the cost for developing them), then why should GW ever change? For those that say "well I can afford it" or "hobbies are expensive" or "that's just Capitalism", you are quite frankly missing the point. I think all of us want our hobby to grow do we not? Do we not all want to be able to easily find an opponent and do we not want to see new people get into the games? Of course we do. Does GW? You would think so. So what possible rationale does GW have for these price increases and what possible rationale can people come up with for being willing to pay them? I love GW's games and I love their models, but I just don't get where people are coming from on embracing Finecast and the prices these OLD models are going for. Mind you I'm not talking about NEW Finecast models, we're talking in this thread about EXISTING models.
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I think GW just want to give its annual 15% profit share to its shareholders...
... the beginning of the end...if you want my opinion...
Sadly,
DarK
PS: they did 15% in 2011
And I was going to mention our boys over here down south. I was in Phoenix, AZ last August and it hit 124 F. Granted that's not the norm for most of us, if your Squig took a nosedive at 90, I hate to see what would happen at almost 40 F hotter.
I'm lucky enough to be in Seattle so it's rare we break 80 F. But I'd still be concerned with weighted warpage over time. That Squig I'd pin the mess out of it, and as large pins as I could fit.
I realize GW's reasoning for going to resin and I don't necessarily fault them for that. What I do fault them for is cutting corners and using a resin that isn't up to par and exhibits these flaws we're all discussing an then have the gall to raise prices (in some cases exorbitantly) and tell us that we're getting a superior product when we're not.
I love the GW universes they've created but I don't appreciate the emperor's new clothes approach to the blatant quality issues they have with Finecast. I continuously find myself purchasing more and more off eBay to get metal pieces.
What I do find interesting is hearing that the Confrontation releases that are upcoming will be going back to metal. I'm not sure what that says as to the state of the market.
I have to wonder how hot the water was that you tried to bend it with. I'm assuming "hot" tap water? That doesn't get hot enough, hence why it snapped.
Use water ran through a coffee machine. That's hot enough.
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I'm looking forward to my new, cheaper Kroxigors that won't chip nearly as much as my metal ones.
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Tin prices (ok, only one ingredient of "white metal") in 2011 had risen by 500% compared to 2000. Now it has taken a serious nosedive since but it still is around 300% higher price than it was in 2000 (that is, if my chart is correct ofc). So at the time they decided to go the resin route it as a very viable and smart decision as prices at that point were rising to fast for metal miniatures to remain profitable and plastic simply isn't always a feasible option. The execution and use of material they settled on however are, well, let's say less than stellar to keep it polite.
I live in south spain. We can now fry eggs on the floor at the street.
My finecast has not bent yet, I put them at the shadow.
Where the hell are the mods? I know I was guilty of it but this thread has gotten a bit off topic.
I'm not overly smart... but I wanted to talk about prices I'd go to the Price Rant thread. If I wanted to talk about economic theoryI'd go to this thread. If I wanted to discuss finecast I'd go to the finecast thread. Stupidly thou I came here for rumours about the finecast releases in June.
But then I'm not stupid enough to put my models in an oven.
About what would you talk?
Because the miniatures haven´t changed. Just the price and the material.
So discussing about those things seems ok to me.
Personally I wouldn´t buy a unit of finecast miniatures due to the poor quality of finecast (breaks not at gluepoints, bubbles, incomplete cast miniatures sold, paint resistant unless washed before priming, ...).
About the price I won´t talk besides that I can get an entire army of another game system (not from GW) for the price of one DE elite unite at medium size (20 miniatures).
PS
In a car in the sun there is an oven.
Exactly because they can. But i have no doubt that in the long run the prices will cap for lower in resin than they would've in metal. The production price is however not very relevant to the price cap. Things like good old supply and demand, but also how the market concentration, competition, demographics and the overall world economy plays at least as large a role as supply and demand. Very few companies today price their products after current demand they price them after predicted demand.
And you all know there's an old saying if you cant beat them join em, buy shares in Gamesworkshop and you get a part of those 15% which you can then reinvest in either more shares or more miniatures. If every dedicated fan of the hobby bought one share then we'd be majority shareholders (in fact i think we'd own the company a few times over).
consumer owned companies is nothing new we've had them for half a century in sweden.
Last edited by TheDungen; 01-06-2012 at 17:44.
So would anybody like to discuss the June Finecast releases with me?
What would you want to say about models that are several years old !!?? There's nothing new here, hence the supposedly off-topic about finecast quality and issues...
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Models painted 2011= 45 / 2012 = 62 / 2013 = 7
And I was going to mention our boys over here down south. I was in Phoenix, AZ last August and it hit 124 F. Granted that's not the norm for most of us, if your Squig took a nosedive at 90, I hate to see what would happen at almost 40 F hotter.
I'm lucky enough to be in Seattle so it's rare we break 80 F. But I'd still be concerned with weighted warpage over time. That Squig I'd pin the mess out of it, and as large pins as I could fit.
I realize GW's reasoning for going to resin and I don't necessarily fault them for that. What I do fault them for is cutting corners and using a resin that isn't up to par and exhibits these flaws we're all discussing an then have the gall to raise prices (in some cases exorbitantly) and tell us that we're getting a superior product when we're not.
I love the GW universes they've created but I don't appreciate the emperor's new clothes approach to the blatant quality issues they have with Finecast. I continuously find myself purchasing more and more off eBay to get metal pieces.
What I do find interesting is hearing that the Confrontation releases that are upcoming will be going back to metal. I'm not sure what that says as to the state of the market.
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