Eldrad Ulthram

[Lord Squidar]

I could see Eldrad becoming the Pheonix Lord of the Seer Path. He would have had to truely die in order to be reborn as one, which has happened. So now instead of a crystal ancient dude in a suit, we have just a suit which when found will nom other farseers and Eldrad will walk again.

[Novafix]

Perhaps Eldrad could Burn "Eldar Rulez" across Slaanesh's chest with his mind bullets before flying out of the eye of Terror on a jet bike.

That's Telekinesis Kyle!

[chromedog]

It would be like High Elfs not having Teclis and Tyrion.
Unthinkable (no matter what the "terrible twins" haters say about them)

He'll be back. You can't keep crusty old farts down (and they don't get much crustier).

[Inquisitor Engel]

That's Telekinesis Kyle!

Novafix wins the thread.

[bobafett_h]

Aparently he created a lot of waystones before his death. Strike one Eldrad down and a hundred take his place. It would explain his multiple presence across the galaxy following his death.

Just like Voldemort with his Horcruxes...

There is the possibility that Eldrad Ulthran follows the same kind of idea behind the Pheonix Lords and Exarchs. When they are killed, they are replaced by someone else who takes upon them the armour, weapons and name and continues on the role until they die and the process continues. Just like the Phantom (Ghost Who Walks).

Exarch armour is meant to contain the spirit stones of all of the previous Exarchs who wore the armour, and in some way the personalities, knowledge and abilities are passed on.

[BooTMGSG]

I wonder how warm a reception Eldrad would receive if he popped out of Slaanesh's embrace?
Would they be "wow, Eldrad you made it!"
or, "Hmm, how did you get away... Its a Trap!"

[ryng_sting]

Eldrad's vacant body was left aboard the corrupted Blackstone Fortress. All but a handful of the 'Eldrad stones' went lifeless the very instant Slaanesh nabbed him.

He's gone.

[jifel]

Perhaps Eldrad will be a two way special character (like Tycho) who can be taken as a farser or a wraithseer. Probably something uber expensive with 10 pyschic powers a turn, and in the fluff he kills an avatar of another craftworld, and then rapes Fulgrim with his own tail. Maybe he ll even Mind War draigo, and light his purity seals on fire :O Which is better than mortarion can do...

[Mr Zoat]

He's still dead.

He also had 500 clones. Maybe it was one of them.

[Chrysalis]

I could see Eldrad becoming the Pheonix Lord of the Seer Path. He would have had to truely die in order to be reborn as one, which has happened. So now instead of a crystal ancient dude in a suit, we have just a suit which when found will nom other farseers and Eldrad will walk again.

But Eldrad is no aspect warrior... I see the armor-reincarnation thing as a very specific thing concerning Phenix Lords. I'm not sure either about the Eldrad-wraithseer: I feel like Eldrad is a guide to his people, even more than other seers, and although I think he would still take part to councils on Ulthwe as a spirit stone consciousness I doubt the Eldar would place him in a wraithbone construct on the battlefield.

[Stonerhino]

Perhaps Eldrad will be a two way special character (like Tycho) who can be taken as a farser or a wraithseer. Probably something uber expensive with 10 pyschic powers a turn, and in the fluff he kills an avatar of another craftworld, and then rapes Fulgrim with his own tail. Maybe he ll even Mind War draigo, and light his purity seals on fire :O Which is better than mortarion can do...

No, he'll come back a special character Blacktone fortress. Single handedly stopping Abbadon's 14th black crusade and then mind wars the Hive Mind. But can only force a draw playing chess against Imotekh, because they can't have you win them all.

[Inquisitor Engel]

He also had 500 clones. Maybe it was one of them.

I've been out of the loop for a while - Can you source this?

If the Eldar could clone themselves willy-nilly a-la-Stargate-Asgard they wouldn't be a race in decline would they? Then again, it didn't work out so well for the Asgard soo....

[Mr Zoat]

I've been out of the loop for a while - Can you source this?

If the Eldar could clone themselves willy-nilly a-la-Stargate-Asgard they wouldn't be a race in decline would they? Then again, it didn't work out so well for the Asgard soo....

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Afri...n#.T9Q2MsWwV7k

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lorii#.T9Q2Y8WwV7l

The explanation for why Asgard cloning wasn't viable long term made no sense in the series. If they replicated the origional DNA rather taking tissue from existing bodies there would be no degredation. I vaugly remember that the reason Craftworld Eldar don't use it is to do with soul development rather than lack of technical ability.

[Idaan]

I vaugly remember that the reason Craftworld Eldar don't use it is to do with soul development rather than lack of technical ability.

It isn't stated anywhere. And aside from the Afriel Strain, there's no reason to believe that clones have no souls. If they, didn't identical twins wouldn't either.

[Inquisitor Engel]

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Afri...n#.T9Q2MsWwV7k

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lorii#.T9Q2Y8WwV7l

Ahhh sorry, I thought you were saying ELDRAD had 500 clones and was really, really confused. My fault for posting before bedtime.

Macharius not actually being dead would remove a lot of the point of him existing in the background in the first place, being Alexander the in space (space! space! space! ....) and all. Crazy conspiracy theories aside (It was the C'tan!) Macharius is totally dead. Since 'genetic memory' a-la Assassin's Creed is mostly bunk, any clones of Macharius would be, well, not The Lord Solar.

The explanation for why Asgard cloning wasn't viable long term made no sense in the series. If they replicated the origional DNA rather taking tissue from existing bodies there would be no degredation. I vaugly remember that the reason Craftworld Eldar don't use it is to do with soul development rather than lack of technical ability.

I think the scientific explanation for the Asgard degradation had more to do with telomeres than anything else, at the time the series was written, cloning a cell with resulted in the cloned cells having the same number of telomeres, effectively making sure the cloned cell had only as long left to live as the original cell. Research since then has shown things to be a tad more complicated than that, but I think that was the premise at the time. How that accounted for the more humanoid Asgard (from "before we started cloning," according to Heimdall) turning into the little grey ones we know today makes zero sense anyway...

A little office topic I suppose...

It isn't stated anywhere. And aside from the Afriel Strain, there's no reason to believe that clones have no souls. If they, didn't identical twins wouldn't either.

Yeah, the Afriel Strain and Fabulous Bill's clones were, until recently, the only real direct canon references to clones and they inform a little too much of universe. I guess it depends what a soul in 40k IS. Is it grown through experience and coalesced warp emotions? So all babies have no souls, but develop them as they grow? Is it something gifted to a being upon conception? Birth? At 18-1/2 weeks? That's getting into some hardcore political debate right there and I'd rather not get into it. Saying souls are 'granted' (in which case, by whom?) at birth avoids the twins issue and since clones aren't 'born.' That said, the Dark Eldar use cloning A LOT and they seem to have no issues with souls.

I kind of like the idea of souls 'grown' and that would explain why the Dark Eldar clones all have souls (and unique ones, at that) and pariah's don't, though that then leaves Bile's Horus clones and the Afriel Strain lacking in explanation... Bah.

[stormblade]

No eldar has his own soul so it wouldn't count for much in 'do clones have souls' question.

[Sildani]

No Eldar has her own soul? Where'd you hear that from?

Before the Fall, Eldar souls were reborn. These days, they're put into the Infinity Circuit, where they remain until needed in battle, if then. I've never read anything about spirit stones being used to infuse old souls into Eldar infants at birth; and I suspect it would be anathema to them.

So "modern" Eldar have "new" souls. Probably.

[madd0ct0r]

i've heard one lovely fan idea that eldrad's soul, once rescude from the fortress wll be the final piece unifying the infitity circuit, unleashing the Eldar God of the Dead upon Slaanesh.

[stormblade]

No Eldar has her own soul? Where'd you hear that from?

Before the Fall, Eldar souls were reborn. These days, they're put into the Infinity Circuit, where they remain until needed in battle, if then. I've never read anything about spirit stones being used to infuse old souls into Eldar infants at birth; and I suspect it would be anathema to them.

So "modern" Eldar have "new" souls. Probably.

Slaanesh has them all, although they seem to be able to hide them (craftworlders at least) so my statement wasn't really correct.

[BooTMGSG]

Well, Slaanesh claims all the eldar souls belong to Him/her. (S/he's a bit obsesive and wierd abou this). However, most eldar do the thier best to prove Him/her wrong.

At best, Slaanesh has called dibs on the Eldars soul.