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    Quote Originally Posted by BeatTheBeat View Post
    Please, please, post in IMG tags! Add [ IMG ] (without spaces) before the photo links and [ /IMG ] (again without spaces of course) after the photo links. There is no way I'm clicking through all those pictures, no matter how awesome they seem to be!

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    I would, but I'm tired of uploading, then linking to another site. It makes more work for me. It's easier just to upload here and have you click twice, rather than me uploading, and copy and pasting links.

    the extreme highlighting: took a little practice, but I can do it pretty quick, now that I have a system. I have a mix of paint (I found myself without codex grey at some point, and had to mix some up using Fortress Grey and Chaos Black... the mix came out a little darker than Codex Grey, but I used it on all the CSMs, on both red, black and blue. And it's worked nicely.

    That's my backlog Chaos of minis. So next update will probably come in a little while as I work on 4 more CSMs then move on to 6 Fallen DAs. I'll try and do a step by step as I go, as my system is relatively simple.

    Future stuff on the menu that I haven't purchased yet: 4 Chaos Bikes, 6 Raptors, 8 FW Plaguemarines, Demon Prince, a Dreadnaught (whenever it drops)... and that leaves me 4 holes in my CSM carry case to fill with individual special characters.
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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Painting Black Legion

    1)build, and base the model. I see lots of people painting before basing, but I've found that if you get the basing on first, the prime helps to keep the sand from flaking away over time.

    2)Prime Black. When dry, use watered down chaos black all over, to fill in any patchs you have missed with the spray. Water it down, so you can be liberal with application.

    3)What I call base coating: meaning every bit gets it's base colour painted on except for the rivets. Use chaos black to clean up any messiness. Being careful to make sure everything is cleanly painted at this point is key, especially with the metallics, which really stand out on black. It helps with future steps, when it is clean. It doesn't need to be immaculate, but close is good. Hazard lines on larger objects get painted on, they don't have to be perfect at this point, and get cleaned up during the highlight step.

    Silver metal gets Boltgun Metal, Bronze gets Boltgun Metal + Snakebite Leather, Green gets Dark Angel Green, Purple gets Lynch Purple, Yellow gets Golden Yellow, Bone gets Desert Yellow, Blue gets Enchanted Blue, Red gets Blood Red, Brown gets Scorched Earth, Grey gets Codex Grey

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    4)now, everything that is not black, gets hit/washed with watered down scorched brown. Try to keep the wash on the yellow very thin, or don't wash it at all, but make sure to get it around the yellow and not on it. This will give all the bits that aged quality, especially the metalics. It'll look messy afterwards, but the highlighting stage takes care of that.

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    in the highlight stage, I usually finish one piece of the model at a time. I start with the head, then do the body, the legs, arms, bits on the waist, handhelds, and finally the backpack in that order
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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Quote Originally Posted by Beppo1234 View Post
    Use chaos black to clean up any messiness. Being careful to make sure everything is cleanly painted at this point is key, especially with the metallics, which really stand out on black. It helps with future steps, when it is clean. It doesn't need to be immaculate, but close is good. Hazard lines on larger objects get painted on, they don't have to be perfect at this point, and get cleaned up during the highlight step.
    Silver metal gets Boltgun Metal, Bronze gets Boltgun Metal + Snakebite Leather, Green gets Dark Angel Green, Purple gets Lynch Purple, Yellow gets Golden Yellow, Bone gets Desert Yellow, Blue gets Enchanted Blue, Red gets Blood Red, Brown gets Scorched Earth, Grey gets Codex Grey
    Hey Beppo, that is some sweet looking BL you've got there. Completely agree on your painting method, especially the clean painting. It's really key with painting black figures. Otherwise I find they can look dull, messy or even hardly painted, just basecoated. Black figures: easy to paint, difficult to make look good.
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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Quote Originally Posted by BasetheRuin View Post
    Hey Beppo, that is some sweet looking BL you've got there. Completely agree on your painting method, especially the clean painting. It's really key with painting black figures. Otherwise I find they can look dull, messy or even hardly painted, just basecoated. Black figures: easy to paint, difficult to make look good.
    Yeah, black, and white. If you're not diligent about clean up after you paint each bit, the mess really shows. It's the high contrast that white or black afford that is problematic. I'll be updating this in a day or two. Just got dumped on at work: have to type out 200 lesson plans by tomorrow morning!

    Oh, another painting tip... if you have the minis you are working on, sitting in front of where you work most, they will always be staring you in the face: where bad painting will spit at you as you work, or motivate you to keep going.

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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Here's some head...

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    1)I always try and start with the messy bit: the horns. So after the desert yellow base, with a scorched brown wash from the previous stage, I did a sharp and thick highlight on all the raised ridges, and also put a line straight following the curve of the horn, in bleached bone.

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    2)The horn then gets a wash of very watered down bleached bone to soften and blend the highlight with the layers underneath. Any endings of the horn got watered down scorched brown to sharpen the separation. The strandy bits were based in snakebite leather with a wash of scorched brown. They got desert yellow highlight, then another highlight layer with a little bleached bone mixed in to the snakebite leather.

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    3)Highlight the metals with mithril silver, or snakebite leather + mithril silver

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    4)highlight the black with watered down codex grey, or something a tad darker. If it's to bright, the model will end up looking grey, rather than black. This happens from time to time. Just carefully wash chaos black over it to blend it a little. The green eyes got jewelled. Dark Angel Green base got a DA Green + bleached bone lower highlight, and a touch of skull white following the age old jewel technique. The mouth tube, painted lyche purple got a mix of bleached bone and lyche purple


    PS: apologies for the old paint names, I don't have any new ones yet, so it'll be a while until I phase in the new stuff
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    The Body

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    Started with my highlight grey, then mithril silver on the rivets, chainmail and other bits, mithril +snakebite on the ring, and snakebite on the folded over backing of the chainmail. The skull was done the same as the horn: sharp highlight of bleached bone, with a watered down wash to soften and blend the highlight

    also, this specific mini was the unlucky recipient of the end of my can of primer, so he's mildly fuzzy
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    Freaking awesome dude! So glad to see you finally decided to share some of your hard work with the public. I hope you will put up pictures of your Dark Angels army, some of your best work IMHO. I could help you get some pictures done, I've got photography skills to pay the bills.



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    Really awesome painting. Good work.

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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Legs:

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    any parts with 'chaos trim', you want to paint the trim first. So I highlight all the trim with mithril silver, or mithril +snakebite for the bronze bits. After, there is always a few spots where you need to sharpen up the edges with some chaos black. At this stage I also stripe the foot cables. Last step is to do the highlights on the black, with a thin grey line all along the edges of the trim and any raised bits. The joints behind the knees get the same grey. Again, some very thin chaos black might be needed to clean up the grey lines. Example, the leg on the left, the lower chin, on the inside need a tiny hit of chaos black between the grey and the trim.

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    Sunday, so I've got time to paint... Arms:

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    Started with bronze highlight, mithril + snakebite, then followed up with mithril on the rivets, and the trim on the wrists, but not the rivets on the hands. Followed up by doing the black armour highlights with my 'darker than codex grey'. Been about a week since I painted, so I'm a little rusty, and the highlights are a little rough, but good enough that when the squad is done it'll look fine. Finally did the 4 rivets on each hand with mithril.

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    got the handhelds, waist and icon done.
    1)started with the highlight for the dark angel green, 50/50 DAG and bleached bone
    2)then snakebite leather highlights on all the ammo packs and pouches
    3)fortress grey on the chaos cross on the icon, which was undercoated with codex grey
    4)Mithril silver for all the silver parts, Mithril + Snakebite for all the bronze bits
    5)Hazard lines on the chain sword. In the earlier stages I did the hazard lines roughly. In this stage, mix skull white with golden yellow. Here is where you sharpen, and fix the black lines, making them straight, and correcting any poor angles and oversized stripes. After, the black stripes get the same highlight as the rest of the black.
    6)bones stuff got bleached bone.


    almost done, just gotta do the backpack and dry brush the base.

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    Backpack, next to the bolter, the thing I hate painting the most (at least with chaos, there is some differentiation):

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    pretty straight forward: 1)highlight the black with codex grey
    2)do the silver metal with mithril silver
    3)do the bronze metal with mithril + snakebite leather
    4)put the black lines on the yellow cables, and highlight the purple cables with a mix of lyche purple + bleached bone
    5)give the skull on the top piece a sharp highlight of bleached bone, followed by a wash of watered down bleached bone to soften the highlight.
    6)drybrush the base codex grey, followed by fortress grey, and clean up the rim with chaos black.

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    and so ends the tutorial. I don't consider myself a great painter, but what I do is take my time. The results end up being high side table top standard. Not award winning, but when you have 50 or so guys painted to the same standard, most people will be impressed. So boys and girls, slow down, take the time to get at least 3 layers of colour on your minis, and it will pay off.

    gotta bang out 3 more BL marines for this squad and it's done. Then I'll be hitting 6 Fallen Dark Angels (which are essentially black legion, in robes). After that, 4 Chaos bike, 6 raptors, a demon prince, 2 spawns, a dread (if it ever comes out), 8 plague marines, and 4 special characters to fill up the last 4 cells in my carry case.
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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Great looking models

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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Todd, the DA pics are up a while ago, though I didn't bring them to SK with me, so they're the pics from before. I guess we'll have to set up a photo booth at my place when I get home from here sometime early next year: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...ighlight=beppo

    I'm definitely going to have to repaint the Steel Legion at this rate too, that's going to be a royal pain.

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    We can definitely set up a photo booth and document your Dark Angels. I've got a few tripods and day light bulbs, which are essential for good lighting. I think we should also photograph your Steel Legion as is, before you update or repaint them. They are also a well painted and complete army that deserves documentation. I like to do a few angles on the characters & special units and photoshop it together. Its actually quite easy to do once you get the hang of it. I find the the hardest part is taking good pictures.

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    Another Example Fig: Basecoat and clean up stage.

    Yeah man, I've never had a tripod, and I have shakey hands when it comes to pushing the shutter button.

    also, even though my tables are pretty new, I'm thinking of taking the pingpong table plunge when I get home, and building some new ones that fold up, and sit on wheels

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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Some great painting on these. Really love the minis here, the terminators especially. What really struck me was just how awesome the Huron conversion looks in black! Also, a brilliant tutorial there!

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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Quote Originally Posted by Elazar The Glorified View Post
    Some great painting on these. Really love the minis here, the terminators especially. What really struck me was just how awesome the Huron conversion looks in black! Also, a brilliant tutorial there!
    Can't take credit for the scheme, just the paint job. I saw somewhere on here someone paint him black legion with that very conversion. I was also impressed how much better the mini looks in the Black Legion scheme. In fact, I find that with a lot of GW minis. The GW studio often chooses some of the worst colour schemes imaginable. An example would be Lord Solar Macharius. The way GW has him painted is absolutely terrible, but there are colour schemes out there that make the model look unbelievably awesome
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    The Master Plan: It's based on a standard size GW case with 3 sheets of 9X4 cells. It's gone through some changes over time.
    1)Chosen on frame 2 has been dropped completely.
    2)Iron Warrior squad (IW) has been dropped completely
    3)Those 12 cells have been devoted to 6 Terminators

    4)Fallen Dark Angels (FDA) has been moved to frame 2, where the Chosen were to be.
    5)Khorne Beserkers (KB) have moved to wear the FDA would have been, to accommodate the 6 terminators in (3)
    6)the 6 man squad of Black Legion (BL) on frame three is now a 5 man squad, still taking up 6 cells (finecast Huron Blackheart conversion will not take well to being tightly packed, he needs 2 cells to remain unbent)
    7)Raptors (CSMR) and Plaguemarines (PM) have been swapped, so there will be 8 raptors, and 6 plaguemarines
    8)frame 2 has been shuffled around so that the layout of the squads fits more with the pattern on frame 3 (I have OCD like that)

    9)plans for the third obliterator (OB) on frame 1 has been dropped, on the assumption that the chaos dread will require 4 cells, rather than 2.
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    Re: Beppo's Darkside, Renegade Guard and Black Legion

    Quote Originally Posted by MiLkiT View Post
    We can definitely set up a photo booth and document your Dark Angels. I've got a few tripods and day light bulbs, which are essential for good lighting. I think we should also photograph your Steel Legion as is, before you update or repaint them. They are also a well painted and complete army that deserves documentation. I like to do a few angles on the characters & special units and photoshop it together. Its actually quite easy to do once you get the hang of it. I find the the hardest part is taking good pictures.
    I don't even know if I'll do the steel legion over, 1) I'm dreading stripping 100+ steel legion 2) I'm dreading painting 100+ steel legion again

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