Can an Inquisitor have Terminator Armour?

[Son of Morkai]

it'd look like anyone else in terminator armour. 6" of ceramitite conceal all.

And another 6" of purity seals.

[Spetulhu]

Simple enough question. Can Inquisitors have Terminator armour?

In the now defunct Daemon Hunters Codex the Ordo Malleus Inquisitors could have Terminator Armor. If they can have it in the GK Codex too then fine. As for the RPG I cannot say.

Still, I'd imagine a powerful enough Inquisitor could have a suit.

[MajorWesJanson]

The only thing those Inquisitors that wear it won't be able to do is the more subtle investigations.

Unless they, I don't know, take it off?

[Askil the Undecided]

To sum up, a suffciently well connected inquisitor can attain anything they can convince the maker/current owner to part with.

It's not a question of

"Is there one I'm allowed to have? No? Ah I see, astartes only now you say... Oh well I tried."

but more a case of

"Is there one available? Good, How will I pay? I speak with the authority of the golden throne itself you miserable heretic wretch. Give me what I want now or nobody will ever find enough of your body to fill a pickle jar."

[Sai-Lauren]

Unless they, I don't know, take it off?

But only if they're of a mind to.

I know it's not a suit of Terminator Armour, but can you really see Karamazov hopping of the Throne of Judgement and skulking around? Personally, I can't - it's not the way he thinks.

[Iron_Lord]

Dark Heresy: Daemon Hunter has the rules for Inquisitor Terminator Armour. It doesn't mention the Crux Terminatus, but gives it a powerfield, with the same rules.

[wartorngetahroun74]

Dark Heresy: Daemon Hunter has the rules for Inquisitor Terminator Armour. It doesn't mention the Crux Terminatus, but gives it a powerfield, with the same rules.

Thanks. I have not yet picked that book up.

[naked_surfer]

To sum up, a suffciently well connected inquisitor can attain anything they can convince the maker/current owner to part with.

It's not a question of

"Is there one I'm allowed to have? No? Ah I see, astartes only now you say... Oh well I tried."

but more a case of

"Is there one available? Good, How will I pay? I speak with the authority of the golden throne itself you miserable heretic wretch. Give me what I want now or nobody will ever find enough of your body to fill a pickle jar."

Except they'd need a black carapace or something so they have something to plug it into, so it wouldn't be quite as easy as getting hold of the suit.

[El_Machinae]

I am under the impression that gaining the ability to wear the black carapace would just be a major medical procedure

[f2k]

Except they'd need a black carapace or something so they have something to plug it into, so it wouldn't be quite as easy as getting hold of the suit.

Not necessarily.

As I recall, Sister’s of Battle do not have the black carapace, yet they’re able to use power armour. The same goes, of course, for Inquisitors.

The idea behind the black carapace, going purely by memory here, is to allow the user to interface directly with the armour on a neurologic level – that is: the suit interfaces directly with the nerves of the user.
However, power armour can also be used with simple receptors build into the suit itself, allowing it to respond to, and replicate, the movements of the user. This allows non-Astartes personnel to use it, although not quite as efficiently as a Marine.

[naked_surfer]

Not necessarily.

As I recall, Sister’s of Battle do not have the black carapace, yet they’re able to use power armour. The same goes, of course, for Inquisitors.

The idea behind the black carapace, going purely by memory here, is to allow the user to interface directly with the armour on a neurologic level – that is: the suit interfaces directly with the nerves of the user.
However, power armour can also be used with simple receptors build into the suit itself, allowing it to respond to, and replicate, the movements of the user. This allows non-Astartes personnel to use it, although not quite as efficiently as a Marine.

Oh ok, I thought it needed to be interfaced neurologically like with marines! I stand corrected

[AndrewGPaul]

Space Marine armour is linked directly to the Marine's nervous system via the Black Carapace, and it seems reasonable that Marine Terminator armour does likewise.

However, this is not the only way for power armour to work; IIRC, Sororitas armour, and power armour worn by non-Marines, works by detecting the movements of the wearer, and applying sufficient power to move the armour along with it. The same method used in the novels Starship Troopers and The Forever War. Presumably non-Terminator armour is modified to use the same fort of force feedback control mechanism rather than a Black Carapace interface.

[Chem-Dog]

I know it's not a suit of Terminator Armour, but can you really see Karamazov hopping of the Throne of Judgement and skulking around? Personally, I can't - it's not the way he thinks.

Unless it has a flush, he'll have to hop down at some point or another....

However, this is not the only way for power armour to work; IIRC, Sororitas armour, and power armour worn by non-Marines, works by detecting the movements of the wearer, and applying sufficient power to move the armour along with it. The same method used in the novels Starship Troopers and The Forever War. Presumably non-Terminator armour is modified to use the same fort of force feedback control mechanism rather than a Black Carapace interface.

SoB Armour, and by extension the armour worn by any non Astartes, isn't really in the same league as a full set of Astartes battle plate, it lacks many (if not all) of the ancillary features that combine with a Marine to make make them what they are. Everyone else is simply wearing "Powered Armour" the neural interfaces aren't used because the armour lacks all of the systems that neural meshing is required for.
Following this on to regular sized humans using Terminator armour, they're not wearing reconditioned Astartes Tactical Dreadnought Armour, they're wearing bespoke constructed "terminator class" armour. Which is probably easier to make than retrofitting Astartes TDA to fit a sub 7 foot person which would require a refit at every point of articulation and then some.
Although it's possible that some kind of MIU type implant is necessary/advantageous if you're the kind of Inquisitor who thinks stomping about in tank armour is a good idea.

[Spetulhu]

Presumably non-Marine Terminator armour is modified to use the same sort of force feedback control mechanism rather than a Black Carapace interface.

Modified, possibly, or built like that from the start. A suit an Inquisitor can use would have to a bit smaller than the Marine version unless the wearer is a real giant of a man.

It's just a matter of cost and time though. The Sisters of Battle are outfitted with exquisitely crafted power armor that offers the same basic protection as marine suits even if lacking the more advanced life support functions. I'd even go so far as to think theirs are made of better materials and with finer machining than anything except Marine Artificer Armor. The church has to be pouring incredible resources into whatever Forgeworld makes those suits.

A custom Terminator suit for an Inquisitor? The cost of getting one through a Forgeworld would be astronomical but it would certainly be made of only the best materials by the best artificers available. Might be possible to negotiate the release of one from a veryfriendly Marine Chapter, but the kind of services the Inquisitor has done for them before that would surely be the stuff of legends. One that has allied with the Grey Knights would IMO be the most likely to have a suit "on loan" as long as he needs it.

[Sai-Lauren]

Unless it has a flush, he'll have to hop down at some point or another....

He's probably declared bodily functions heretical...

Modified, possibly, or built like that from the start. A suit an Inquisitor can use would have to a bit smaller than the Marine version unless the wearer is a real giant of a man.

It's just a matter of cost and time though. The Sisters of Battle are outfitted with exquisitely crafted power armor that offers the same basic protection as marine suits even if lacking the more advanced life support functions. I'd even go so far as to think theirs are made of better materials and with finer machining than anything except Marine Artificer Armor. The church has to be pouring incredible resources into whatever Forgeworld makes those suits.

A custom Terminator suit for an Inquisitor? The cost of getting one through a Forgeworld would be astronomical but it would certainly be made of only the best materials by the best artificers available. Might be possible to negotiate the release of one from a veryfriendly Marine Chapter, but the kind of services the Inquisitor has done for them before that would surely be the stuff of legends. One that has allied with the Grey Knights would IMO be the most likely to have a suit "on loan" as long as he needs it.

Or alternatively, the Inquistion have their own stored away in their various holdings across the Imperium, and an Inquisitor just requsitions a suit when he believes he needs one.

[Spetulhu]

Or alternatively, the Inquistion have their own stored away in their various holdings across the Imperium, and an Inquisitor just requsitions a suit when he believes he needs one.

A possibility too, but would even the Inquisition have spare suits just lying about? I'd be more inclined to believe that there's a small number of Inquisitors with a custom-made suit that pass it on before they retire (or have it written in their will). Give it to their favorite student. Or the Inquisitor Lord that helped on that major case two centuries ago. Or the new rising star of his Ordo?

[El_Machinae]

Speaking of 'refitting for size', I wonder if the Inquisition has access to technology that could grow the Inquisitor into a space-marine sized person? Reconstructive surgeries and muscle transplants, for example.

[MyNameDidntFit]

Have a look at Hector Rex, that guy is pretty much a Space Marine.

[El_Machinae]

Lexicanum implies that the enhancement was done while he was still young. But, I think 'augmenting to the size of a Space Marine' is really quite possible. We hear about 'vat-grown muscle' all the time. Though, expanding a skeleton would be arduous (and risky)!

[Sai-Lauren]

Heldane in First and Only had his skull surgically altered to basically scare the living manure out of people, plus there's all the cosmetic duplicates of the Inquisitor in Blood Pact, so I guess it's possible, so long as the Inquisitor can justify the expense of it to their superiors, or can find a medicae who's willing to do it, most likely in return for Inquisitor not arresting them for whatever they're doing in the first place.

There's probably some requirement for Inquisitors to undergo cosmetic surgery for various missions- which may range from heavy reconstruction for extreme environments (high gravity, barely breathable atmospheres etc) at the most extreme, to hair/ iris colouration and tattoo removal at the most minor (especially those who act covertly and want to blend in), so, even for those that don't have a friendly medic as part of their retinue, they can probably access Inquisitiorial surgeons to do whatever they want to have done.

It won't be a full Marine implant procedure though, more likely a bespoke series of surgeries and treatments over years that would get them somewhere close to that level (similar to what people like Luther had, but a level or more below even that), and not all Inquisitors would survive it.

And, of course, some Inquisitors may have a degree of sensitivity and training with Polymorphine (the Draco novels had a sensitive who'd somehow missed being picked up and shipped to the Callidus) - but I'd personally limit that to no more than a few dozen across the entire Imperium.